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 Posted 04/27/2015  4:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wildflowerAB to your friends list
Yes I hear what you say. The thing of it is - similar to my 1965 roll of red cents, which is certainly no comparison by way of value BUT I also purchased it from an auction house and therefore I have absolutely no way of knowing whether or not, at some point prior to the auction, advertised as coming from an estate, that someone didn't open up the roll and recklessly sift through it without bothering to use tweezers or wear gloves. Then by the time I checked the roll, it was already on its way to becoming partially brown regardless of how careful I was. One has absolutely no way of determining the manner of everyone who handles the coins prior to the buyer making the purchase.

Over time, the future of the Langdon red cents will be interesting.
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 Posted 04/27/2015  4:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petersun to your friends list
Hold on... So from what I heard here, in this thread, I should remove my BU coins from original wrappers (from bank) and move them into plastic tubes?
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 Posted 04/27/2015  5:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wildflowerAB to your friends list
Not necesarrily, I'd need a real good reason to move coins from one type of roll holder to another. But I think the original discussion pertained to the fact that the downside of bank paper rolled coin is that paper can absorb moisture depending on how and where the coin rolls are stored - as opposed to the advantage of being able to securely seal coin in plastic coin roll holders.

Someone please correct me, if I'm wrong.
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 Posted 04/27/2015  6:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add inconnu to your friends list
I have only five rolls, but trey are packed in a vacuum sealed bag. There's not a lot of oxygen ( if any ) inside the bag.

Rob
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 Posted 04/27/2015  7:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wildflowerAB to your friends list
Sounds like a good way, Rob.

I don't have a whole lot of rolls either, only 9 or 10. I store them in an old tobacco tin with a lid that seals. This same tobacco tin has preserved coins including red pennies back even to the '50s so it's more than proven it works for me. If the coins are in a plastic tube, I stuff a small piece of a cotton ball into the end of the roll so the coins are snug. I also pack the tin with cotton balls, to remove the air and keep them in place.
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 Posted 04/27/2015  8:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DEVLEC to your friends list
I think that no matter what we do.. the cents will some day go red and then to RB and so on..

Maybe adding some of the little packs of silica gel that adsorb humidity will help and changing them out as the seasons change.
Living in a desert is a nice safer way also..

...okiecorner has the best method by going mostly for the chocolate brown ones..and he's now dragged me over "to the dark side".

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04/27/2015 9:16 pm
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 Posted 04/27/2015  9:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Fixguy to your friends list
I'd agree in some silica gel packs too. For moisture. Interesting thread.
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 Posted 04/27/2015  11:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wildflowerAB to your friends list
Yes, maybe adding brown cents to a collection is the simplest route. I bought a 1940's red cent on ebay. The photo wasn't great but the price was reasonable. When I received it, it looked too suspiciously worn. So I viewed it under magnification and I could see in the centres of some of the letters and numbers was disgusting green goo, probably mouldy ketchup. Ugg.
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 Posted 04/28/2015  08:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DEVLEC to your friends list

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the centres of some of the letters and numbers was disgusting green goo, probably mouldy ketchup. Ugg.


More probably verdigris.

There are methods that have been discussed here explaining how to carefully remove or "try to" remove the green.

If untreated, the green will continue to attack the copper and permanently damage that cent.

Some people soak them in a soft soapy warm solution and will use a sharpened thorn from a hawthorn twig to "carefully " pick away at the green. Very often this will work very well.

The more brilliant the copper coin is,..the more risky this procedure is..but usually very good results on the brown cents..

I have used the picks from a rosebush myself to remove grunge and green from some of the brown cents. Practice on an unimportant shiny cent first if you want to get an idea of what your doing.. If you see remaining marks,..don't go that route..
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 Posted 04/28/2015  09:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wildflowerAB to your friends list
Thanks for the helpful information Devlec. I do have one or Two Cents with obvious verdigris that I may try to save. The appearance though of this one is quite different though - to me it literally looks like mould growing inside the letters or numbers, exactly the same colour and texture as that on a long forgotten item in the fridge. Maybe I'll post a pic of it one day soon.
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 Posted 04/28/2015  09:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
Depends what you are trying to preserve: the coins or the paper wrappers.
In my case, it is definitely the wrappers!
I have 6 rolls in original paper Royal Australian MINT wrappers from 1984. The end coins are still full mint red.

They stopped issuing bronze coins from 1991, and all coins issued into circulation after that date were bagged by the Mint.
The coins are definitely not coming out of those wrappers!

They have been stored in clip lock polyethylene bags since the day I got them over the counter from the Head Office of the Reserve Bank.

Commercial bank wrappers are still available, but they contain REcirculated coins.

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 Posted 04/28/2015  3:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Scissel to your friends list

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...stored in clip lock polyethylene bags...


Are polyethylene bags archival/safe for storing long-term? I'm wondering if the bag would off-gas plasticizer into the paper and onto coins stored inside.

For storing paper coin rolls long-term, I like to put the whole paper roll into a larger size tube, e.g., a 5c roll fits snugly into a 25c tube, or a 1c roll in a 5c tube.
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 Posted 04/28/2015  6:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
Perfectly OK to store paper wrapper coin rolls in clear hard screw top plastic tubes. The tubes are made of hard clear acrylic plastic.

Any plastic that is safe for the storage of food is also safe for the stotage of coins.
Translucent polyethylene in plastic bags is not PVC. They do not have a plasticizer.

Used polyethylene plastic bags need to be recycled because they do not break down in the environment. They are chemically and solvently far too stable, and thus remain persistent in the environment; that is the reason why they need to be recovered and remanufactured.

Clear PVC coin flips have a plasticizer that gasses out over time, and that can affect coins.
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04/28/2015 6:40 pm
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 Posted 04/28/2015  9:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DEVLEC to your friends list

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Clear PVC coin flips have a plasticizer that gasses out over time, and that can affect coins.


So where do the "inner plastic" slips in the ICCS flips fit in here..?

Is there a long term problem with them..?
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 Posted 04/28/2015  11:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add EastVanRob to your friends list
^
I've been told that the inner liners are polyethylene terephthalate, which are supposed to be inert. The outer holders are PVC.
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