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1911-D $2.50 Diagnostics

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 Posted 05/10/2015  2:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
It looks good enough to consider - on my phone - but all the same I'll wait until I'm home to offer an opinion. Either way I'm not commenting on the coin's authenticity based just on the one feature. That's folly. Honestly, this is one for which images alone won't ever really tell the story.
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 Posted 05/10/2015  3:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add LowLife to your friends list
Is this not a very faint D that I'm seeing? Maybe just wishful thinking on my behalf?

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 Posted 05/10/2015  4:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jdiablo30 to your friends list
I too purchased a 1911 from a LCS and when I got home and had a better overall look at it under better light, I came to find that it was a 1911-S. Boy was it faint,but there nonetheless! I believe that the weak MM have to do with how the coin was the designed the area around the MM is the first to wear down.
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 Posted 05/10/2015  4:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kkirby99 to your friends list
jd, you talking about a half eagle right? because they didn't make 11-s in the $2.50.
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 Posted 05/10/2015  5:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jdiablo30 to your friends list
@ KK yes,but since same design I figured the stories were related in the sense of MM wear.
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 Posted 05/10/2015  5:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
Well, here's a couple of things that PCGS doesn't feel like calling appropriate pickups for this issue. First, the mint mark is horizontal, pointing straight at the arrow with only the very slightest clockwise rotation. It should be on the same plane, direction-wise, as the horizontal lines of the arrow. Second, it's big. It should not fit into the inside contour of the arrowhead at its' fattest.

The "mint mark" you have circled - yeah, it sure looks like a D - doesn't meet either of those requirements.

Keep in mind, if it still bears true from 2009 information, 40% of all Gold counterfeits PCGS receives are Indian $2.50's.
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 Posted 05/10/2015  6:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add LowLife to your friends list
Dave,
I see what you're saying, but I think what you're describing from my photo is the "inner" part of the D....at least in my mind. I'm attaching an image of roughly what I'm seeing in my mind's eye.

I have no doubt the coin is authentic.

This known authentic NGC example looks 100% identical to my possible 1911 Weak D example. Thoughts?
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 Posted 05/10/2015  6:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list

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Thoughts?


I shoulda maybe looked closer is my first thought.

OK, on to the center shape of the D with you (compare to known ones - should be no "flat" edge on the left), and the possible wire edge on the obverse and scalloping on the reverse. Now that I see the outside outline, I'm kind of getting on board with it.

There's only the one reverse, and the one mint mark. That's why PCGS can be so sure of the die line. So you can compare Strong MM versions to see what you should see with yours.
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 Posted 05/10/2015  7:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cascade to your friends list
I see the D and boy does the position and size look very similar. Fingers crossed for you!
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 Posted 05/10/2015  7:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add g048406 to your friends list
Without seeing the upper half of the reverse rim of this coin, there is absolutely no way to tell if it's a weak d or not.
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 Posted 05/11/2015  08:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add LowLife to your friends list
I will have to crack it out of the slab to see the rim of the coin......this is an old ANACS holder where the white insert touches the edge of the coin all the way around. I will try to get this done today or tomorrow.
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 Posted 05/11/2015  08:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
I generally wouldn't advise cracking, but this seems like a case to. A 1911 on its' own isn't big but if we can come up with reasonable arguments in favor of a Denver coin....
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 Posted 05/11/2015  8:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add LowLife to your friends list
The coin is FREE! I've broken it out of the ANACS holder. This will be an interesting discussion...let's see what the opinions are.

Pro's
1) Characteristic die line in arrows
2) Faint D mark?

Con's
1) No marks near rim on reverse

Weak D or No D? Hmmmm....might have to let PCGS decide this one.



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 Posted 05/11/2015  9:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add g048406 to your friends list
Save your money.....1911 no d.
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 Posted 05/11/2015  10:07 pm  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list
The image of the ghost D is far too large. Not saying it is or isn't, just saying your outlined image shows a HUGE D.
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