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Pillar of the Community
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Yes it is a 7070. It is a pretty old one. it doesn't have a zinc cent hole. The newest coin is an SBA dollar. |
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To verify whether or not its an o.108, I would immediately be looking at the lower right hand side of the right wing for a protruding spike. If it's there, it's an o.108...but too hard to tell from the pictures.
Very nice old Bustie, ssk!
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05/11/2015 01:08 am
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No. I don't see a spike. I compared it too other examples of the o.108.
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Is that good or bad? Not a matter of good or bad, just a statement of fact. The capped bust halves had the edges lettered before striking and then were struck in what is called an "open" collar which means it did not fit closely around the planchet and so did not force the coins to be a consistent diameter. Every coin is slightly different is size because the final diameter was determined by the softness of the planchet and the force of the hand operated press. This is why the album makers have fits with these coins. Since every coin is a different size you can't make a hole that will fit the coin precisely. So they make a hole that fits the "average" size. When you get a coin that was struck a little harder than normal and it spread a little more they wind up damaging the hole trying to get it in. That is one of the "charms" of collecting the early coinage, every coin is different. Different sizes and every die was hand punched to at least some extent so every die pair produced coins that were from every other die pair. Once the close collar and full die hubbing came along around 1836 the coins became "buttons" with very little difference between them. Edited by Conder101
05/11/2015 11:05 am
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Pillar of the Community
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I really appreciate the information. So these coins were all broad strikes in a way, but not really.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Correct, the open collars that were used were useful to center the planchet on the die but did not constrain the coins expansion to a fixed size. (At least on the plain or lettered edge coins. The reeded edge early coins were a little odd. Their edges were not reeded pre-strike so the reeds had to be formed by contact with the collar yet I believe sizes still varied.)
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what a great flea market find! It will be fun tracing down the Overton #. Is there a good or any online guide for these coin specific varieties without buying a old out of print hardcover book?
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Pillar of the Community
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Fifth edition Overton book is available right now, about $80 or so for it.
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Very nice!  Mine was a tight fit in the 7070 as well, so not unusual. |
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DoubleEagle, did the Fifth solve the problems of the Fourth Edition?
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Pillar of the Community
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Yes, it even solved some problems with the 3rd edition. Its basically a 3rd edition with corrections, IMO. I have a 3rd edition, but I really dont use it anymore.
I use the Overton 5th edition in tandem with Dr Peterson's fourth edition to attribute bust halves.
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05/12/2015 2:56 pm
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Thanks AcesKings that's great. Not that I don't want to read or purchase Overton's book, but I've read it's "difficult" to use. And I've read the Peterson book is much easier to use but not as thorough. And sorry I hijacked SSK's thread.
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And sorry I hijacked SSK's thread. It is great that you did. We all learned something. |
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The Overton book is a lot easier to use than the VAM book for Morgans, IMO. I really adapted quickly to it. What it does lack is specific pictures to illustrate the defining characteristics of each DM. Dr. Peterson's book makes up for that deficiency. The two complement each other very well. |
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