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This Could Be Up There With 1 Of The Worst Fake 1909 S VDB's

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 Posted 06/21/2015  6:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverStackerKid to your friends list
Not necessarily the position, but the shape. The seller said they were taking it to a reliable coin dealer to get it authenticated. They seem to be pretty honest.
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 Posted 06/21/2015  7:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list
Well the camera obviously moved during the shot, the entire image has motion blur so everything will appear wider.
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Well the camera obviously moved during the shot, the entire image has motion blur so everything will appear wider.


Oh, ok. I see now. Maybe they will write back when the dealer says something.
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 Posted 06/21/2015  8:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Elimist to your friends list
I think it's awesome that this forum does so much to police counterfeits on e-bay. It's good awareness on a big issue and it is helping me spot what to look for in counterfeits.

However, this kind of bothers me. The title of thread is "this could be up there with 1 of the worst fake 1909 s-vdb's" and then I see a listing of a coin that looks pretty genuine to me based on the 3 blurry pictures we have for evidence. Saying it's one of the worst fakes out there is a bit gratuitous.

Yeah I think it would be a terrible decision to buy this raw coin off of e-bay based on three blurry pictures, but I don't think that means we should involve this private seller in what could be dangerously similar to a counterfeit coin witch-hunt.
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 Posted 06/21/2015  10:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list
The pictures are absolutely horrible. The best evidence of this being a fake is the VDB.
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 Posted 06/21/2015  10:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverStackerKid to your friends list

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The best evidence of this being a fake is the VDB.


but it is also hard to tell from pics.
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 Posted 06/21/2015  10:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHuntingDrew to your friends list

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You need to display a higher level of academic rigor, Drew.


Let's not bring up what happened with the 1913 D quarter. That was ridiculous, Dave.


I am a VISUAL learner. If you see something, point it out. Don't publicly embarrass me on the forums and punish me for it.

Sure, it's becoming a litany but what you don't understand is that hundreds of people come across these forum posts. What I'm seeing here, the date and relief is completely off. Also notice the thickness of the edges on both sides.

The dead giveaway is that the detail, such as "In God We Trust" is too clear, it's not the same font you see on a normal '09 S VDB. I can't exactly describe it.

Notice this, and almost a dead giveaway with fakes.

The fields. There's a concentration of scratches on lincoln's head, but it's spotless in the fields. Plus the VDB is off. It's (The start of the B) supposed to line up with the gap that's between "M" and the "E" in America. If you draw a line, it'll reach exactly ON the "B" or in the middle of the B I guess.


I don't know what you seem to expect from me. I'm only several years older than SSK is. I'm not 60.
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06/21/2015 10:35 pm
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 Posted 06/21/2015  10:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHuntingDrew to your friends list
I'm sorry I didn't describe what I was seeing, haha.
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 Posted 06/21/2015  10:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHuntingDrew to your friends list
Maybe I'm wrong, that's a possibility. I'm not saying I'm right, I'm just describing MHO.

The title was too much of an exaggeration, my bad.

Is there any good books to read or webpages to check out that go indepth on Counterfeit Detection in regards to 1909 S VDB's?
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PCGS has a great MM location thing and shape of the punch diagram. It will possibly help a little. I don't know if there is a better thing. It also describes the middle bar of B in V.D.B.
http://www.pcgs.com/News/Counterfei...incoln-Cents

Here is another great resource. Not a lot of info but some good info.
http://lincolncentresource.com/1909svdb.html
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 Posted 06/21/2015  11:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHuntingDrew to your friends list
I remember seeing a line across (in the form of a picture) from where the "B" in VDB correlates with the "E" in America. I can't recall if it was on here or what.
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 Posted 06/22/2015  12:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Elimist to your friends list
Excuse me while I put "1913-D Quarter" into the CCF search bar...
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 Posted 06/22/2015  01:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ChildOfTheWheat to your friends list
Worst fake ever.
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 Posted 06/22/2015  01:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHuntingDrew to your friends list

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Excuse me while I put "1913-D Quarter" into the CCF search bar...


The post was removed later in the day .

I'm moving on and I'm done talking about it.
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 Posted 06/23/2015  12:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mike1487 to your friends list
This is absolutely a fake. The tips of both wheat stalks are rounded, where they should be pointed. This is one of the main diagnostics for Counterfeit Detection.

See http://www.ebay.com/gds/Coin-Fake-D...93333/g.html

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