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1909-S VDB

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 Posted 07/08/2015  5:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list
With a coin of that value I'd send it to NGC for conservation.
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 Posted 07/08/2015  6:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
SHAFTA - Why does the B look weird to you?
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 Posted 07/08/2015  7:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add edweather to your friends list
Closer to EF40. I'd probably leave it as is. That being said, if it were my coin, since it's details anyway, I "might" try a little Verdicare spot treatment on some of the reverse crud to see what's underneath. Would probably not try the acetone.
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 Posted 07/08/2015  8:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list
EF-40 details, due to the scratches on reverse.
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 Posted 07/08/2015  8:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list
I wouldn't touch it given the value, but if you've got lots of experience with VerdiCare it's worth a shot; supposedly VerdiCare is undetectable by TPGs if you plan to get it slabbed (and I don't see why not.)
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 Posted 07/08/2015  8:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list
I don't plan on slabbing it. Its been in my Lincoln set since 1971. I'm hoping badthad chimes in about using verdicare on it. I have removed similar looking crud Using a toothpick with decent results however on one of my test coins it looked lighter than the surrounding surface. This is my only concern. You never know what's underneath.
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 Posted 07/08/2015  9:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list
Darn it, panzaldi, you're making me nostalgic for the days of unslabbed coins :(

Don't think sometimes I don't wish they didn't exist, sometimes it seems like I fall into the trap of buying the label more than the coin.
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 Posted 07/09/2015  12:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Joseph7420 to your friends list
Looks like an EF-40 to me.
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 Posted 07/09/2015  08:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list
You can PM badthade you know
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I was just about to pm thad for you but I see other have suggested it so I'm sure you'll do it. He would want to be consulted for sure involving an 09s vdb... hit him up!
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 Posted 07/09/2015  11:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list
I tried getting a clear photo on the VDB but even on Macro setting its a little too blurry. it appears that there is the same crud in the lower and upper loops of the B making look odd. I assure you its a B.

BTW. I remember exactly what I paid for it in 1971...$125
it was a lot of $$ but I had to own one to complete my collection


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 Posted 07/09/2015  11:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list

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Technical grade appears 40 to me. I'd leave the black gunk on the reverse because what's underneath could be scary.


I agree! You just never know what's lurking under the black residue. You might have bright, shiny copper....which would look worse than the black residue.

On another note, I would not use acetone on this coin either, it would have little effect. I have removed this type of black residue many times with VC, it will come right off with a short soak (20 minutes or so) and gentle prodding with a toothpick (while under fluid).

This is a very valuable coin (assuming it's genuine). It's probably best to leave conservation to the pros like NCS. Personally, I like it as is....it has character and originality.
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 Posted 07/09/2015  1:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list
thanks for your insight BadThad. my concern was having brighter surfaces underneath also. in my testing I have seen this on occasion
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It all depends on if the grime got on there before or after it toned brown. I've seen both, mostly after the coin has toned. But, in this case, I don't think it's worth rolling the dice.

It's not corrosion, just regular organic goop from what I can see. There's really nothing wrong with a little dirt on a coin. It clearly shows the coin has never been cleaned and it's all original....just how we like 'em!
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 Posted 07/09/2015  2:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list
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