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Canada
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While I appreciate the fact that some Canadian sellers selling in USD have an established customer base, but otherwise for the average seller I think it's a distinct disadvantage to do so, aside from surcharges, because of the present exchange rate. It's a psychological irritant to observe a ebay selling price of $70 being morphed into $100 via PayPal and I think it's enough to scare off buyers who aren't familiar with foreign currency transactions. On the surface it appears they are getting ripped off.
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Pillar of the Community
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Not getting ripped off at all. Who is ripping Canadian buyers off is the Bank of Canada and their insane race to the bottom monetary policies. Reality bites but that is life. We did not hear too many complaints when we were getting only 93 cents on the Canadian Dollar. As an ebay seller it will be US dollars only for us.
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Canada
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I didn't suggest folks were actually getting ripped off - but it may appear so because the value of our loonie is so low when converted to USD. Reality is most Canadians have little reason to follow US exchange rates other than impending vacations, so to simply accumulate a collection of Canadian coin, why would they. But I will say for someone like myself who is not a seller, I have become very selective in purchasing Canadian coins from another Canadians in U.S. Dollars and will always choose sellers in Cdn dollars if all else is equal. Call it patriotic, I can't say exactly why that is, but it is. I understand you to have mentioned on more than one occasion that you have created an excellent market with customers in the U.S. But for the average Canadian ebay coin seller who's not a dealer and does not live close to the border. I'd be very surprised if that's common. I'd assume it's not due to shipping costs. Without a U.S. market, I'm curious what other valid reasons are there for it to advantageous for Canadian ebay sellers to sell in U.S. Currency - because I can't think of one.
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Shipping costs are a huge part of it. The cost to send a small tracked under 3 ounce package from WA state is $2.04 to any where in the U.S. . To send the same tracked package to a major international destination is $7.00 . Both quotes are of course USD. Shipping in Canada is just ridiculous by comparison. Also since we buy most of our inventory in the U.S. ! our purchase cost and related travel expenses are all US as well. The ebay and PayPal fees are also USD. Makes no sense converting back and forth. All that does as Kuh previously stated is add more expenses. Another advantage to listing on .com in USD is your items show up in almost any search quicker than if you list in CAD on .ca.. One thing that we do is adjust our prices downward as the dollar drops on Canadian coin listings and do our very best to entertain reasonable offers. Also many Canadian buyers who deal with us appreciate the quality that they receive and often times the extra little gift we include to offset the high Canadapost charges. It is not an easy time staying competitive with ugly exchange rates, and you just have to dig deep and do what you can to make it work.
Edited by Pacificoin 08/29/2015 7:59 pm
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Canada
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I am a Canadian seller who's from Calgary and so can't ship via anything but Canada Post.
Based on my experience it is still much easier to sell when listing items in USD as a pose to CAD, albeit, 90% of my sales come from US buyers.
I sell Canadian coins almost exclusively, with a few oddities here and there. Most of my sales are in the $200-1200 range.
When listing my items in USD I will make sure that after conversion to CAD, my item only ends up being about 90% of CCN trend. This has worked quite well for me so far.
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Canada
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Interesting. I don't for a moment question US interest in Cdn coin - obviously the Canadian market is small and probably still shrinking, for whatever reason, and U.S. buyers greatly assist in creating demand. For that same reason I can understand why sellers are attracted to the U.S. market. It's a matter of business - you do what you got to do. However from a buyer point of view - and I'm only expressing my opinion, nothing more - but somewhere amidst such things as converting metric measurements to imperial or vice versa, flipping around packaging boxes or upside down instructions looking to a language that I'm able to read, calculating USD to CDN especially for ebay auction maximum bids to fit my budget is yet another reminder of why this country lacks a strong, viable identity. And because coin collecting is supposed to be fun and enjoyable, therefore I endeavour to remove all possible irritants to keep it so. I have no idea if other Canadian ebay buyers feel as I do, but it's the reason why I firstly support Cdn $ sellers.
Edited by wildflowerAB 08/29/2015 10:34 pm
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United States
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Sheesh, what's so hard about converting and displaying any price using the current exchange rate in the country a user's IP address logs in from? Every other international commerce website does it. I don't get what the issue is here. Plus, psychologically for the typically clueless ebay buyer, why would they recommend listing an item as $100 CAD instead of $76 USD? Clearly the latter is cheaper! :)
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Canada
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Quote: Every other international commerce website does it. I don't get what the issue is here. Plus, psychologically for the typically clueless ebay buyer, why would they recommend listing an item as $100 CAD instead of $76 USD? Clearly the latter is cheaper! :) I'd be interested in seeing an example of a Canadian company's website that sells their product in USD to Cdn customers because it certainly isn't common. Every example of an international commerce site that I've ever visited has a separate linked webpage for Canadian or US customers in the respective country's local currency. Secondly, just a casual observation, it strikes me as somewhat contradictory the numerous discussion threads by many Canadians sellers who feel ebay's policy pertaining to US approved grading companies is unfair --- yet at the same time selling on ebay.ca in U.S. Dollars is supported....... Seems we want to have our cake and eat it too!
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Canada
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Only this year have we started listing and selling products on ebay.ca in CAD. I have found it to be a positive experience because we're able to sell a lot more of the cheaper things (marred, problem semi-keys in lower grade for $10-40, especially). I think our overall Canadian sales have gone up. However, its still the shipping costs that have forced us to remain more competitive.
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Canada
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Quote:I also think ebay is tired of dealing with complaints of buyers who see an attractive price, buy it, then realize it will cost them 30-35% more than they thought due to the exchange rate. Unless buyers live in a cave they know that the CDN$ has dropped drastically over the last 9 months Quote: Sheesh, what's so hard about converting and displaying any price using the current exchange rate in the country a user's IP address logs in from? Every other international commerce website does it. I don't get what the issue is here. ebay.ca listings are shown in Canadian dollars even if the sellers chose to sell in US$. Quote: True. But with PayPal charging 2.5% per currency conversion I think most buyers subtract that from the price they're willing to pay. So if most of the buyers are Canadian that ends up coming out of the seller's pocket. And if the seller wants their money in CDN $s at the end of the day then it's a double whammy of 5%. Conversion fees can be avoided by opening a US$ dollar bank account. So you take out US$ without any fees should you travel in the USA. Also, have you should have 2 currencies in your Paypal account: One Canadian and US. So if you buy/sell in US$ the transaction will go to your US$ balance while CDN$ transaction go to your CDN$ balance. In other words, there are no conversion fees if transaction is Cdn and your bank is Cdn.
Edited by MoneyPenney 08/31/2015 03:17 am
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Canada
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As a buyer I have past over so many coin's that have been listed in USD dollar because, once you add everything up,as a buyer it make no sense to buy it. The buyer get hit with the item in USD dollar shipping in USD then exchange rate. I have contacted seller and let them know, once I added everything up you want me to pay, I would be paying double what the coin is worth. Pacificoin I've bought off you before and and will again, you understand the complex of pricing on E-Bay in US dollar, with the low Canadian dollar I've become very tight on what I'll buy now on E-Bay. Because so many seller list in US and the low Canadian dollar, I find I buy more at coin show's or dealers because I'm getting a better deal then what is being offered on E-Bay. If the seller list in USD dollars, if I have changed my spending habit how many other have too, because of the low Canadian dollar, how many time's has your item been past over because of the listing price. I like to see listing in Canadian dollar, after awhile it become a pain trying to covert from US to Canadian every time I see a coin.
Edited by Strach-Man 08/31/2015 10:58 am
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Quote: ebay.ca listings are shown in Canadian dollars even if the seller chooses to sell in US$. For auction items, even though the starting bid is shown in Cdn $, all bids are in US$. Edit to add: .....if the seller lists the auction item in USD. Conversion fees: Yes, USD bank accounts, USD Visa or UDS holdings in a Paypal accounts are a viable option when travelling to the U.S. but that doesn't mean conversion rates can be avoided when the funds are initially exchanged to US because that is not so. The US buy rate in Cdn funds is always higher than the US sell to Cdn rate, even on the same day. What that means is when the Cdn seller converts the U.S. funds back to Cdn $, their settling rate then is far lower than the buying rate their customer paid. Obviously that loss has to get written into a higher listing price. http://www.tdcommercialbanking.com/fx/rates/
Edited by wildflowerAB 08/31/2015 10:14 am
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Quote: Because so many seller list in US and the low Canadian dollar, I find I buy more at coin show's or dealers because I'm getting a better deal then what is being offered on E-Bay.
I have found this to be true as well. So much so that without real intention I've paid my way into a dealer's VIP program that keeps me spending (in Cdn $)!  I have to wonder in the case of Canadian sellers who list in USD, is it really that the Canadian ebay buyer market is dwindling or has it just moved elsewhere?
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Pillar of the Community
 Canada
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Quote: EBay.ca listings are shown in Canadian dollars even if the seller chooses to sell in US$. Also, the Canadian prices shown don't factor in the exchange fee. You don't see that until you go to pay. And with the current volatility in the exchange rate even that shown Canadian price can change noticeably within the 7 day time frame of the standard auction.
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Canada
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As a Canadian buyer, you get dinged by paypal and your own bank or credit card on US dollar listing, that's around 5 to 6% added thus the coin must be something special or no bid. I am allmost sure paypal has the same charges to the sellers
Edited by john100 08/31/2015 6:57 pm
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