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Thanks for restoring things, but we can't positively identify the two new ones without seeing the other sides, because the regnal year is on the reverse.
As for your Russian friend, it's hard to say. I haven't seen anything there I'd want to pay anywhere near that much money for. Of course, Krause could be way out in values. There's not much in the sales records on these coins; they just don't come up for sale often enough. I'd want to find out how much of an expert this guy is before knowing whether he's serious. There might be something in there only a specialist would know to look for.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Sap he called again befor I could makeup my mind to call him and tell him that I don't like the price, After talking to him on the phone and determining that he really really wants these coins, I asked him why did he want these coins what was so special about them, he would not tell me anything for some reason, the only thing he kept saying is that they where for his wife, and she wanted Ottoman Libyan struck coins, I ask him that I need time before I can make up my mind. It looks like this guy is keeping something from me about them, or he could be telling me the truth, but why did he offer me so much on these coins ?
As for the other missing sides of the coins that I posted I will re-post with better photos. I'm doing that tonight.
Very Large Silver Ottoman Libyan struck Coin found in Libya, Sap there is now a NEW coin that has been dugout, I wanted to see this coin and asked that I see it, I will try to buy this coin from its keeper. Ill post photos of it, if all gos good for me.
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01/15/2008 12:12 pm
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OK I just found one of the coins minted in Tripoli Libya, but it looks way different from the one's that I posted on this thread, I found it on coin Archives, And I don't think that it's in good shape. Image:  04864q00.jpg36.62 KB http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotvi...283&Lot=4864Mahmûd II, 1223-1255 H/1808-1839 AD. 19 Para 1223 H/7, Tarablus gharb. K./M. 130. 2.72 g. Rare Very fine Funny that this coin on coin-archives says that it weighs 2.72gm |
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Thanks for adding the extra pics. The last two seem to me to be the same as #2. As for the one in your link, it's a 10 para ("19" is probably a typo). The pic in Krause of #130 looks much the same as that one. Krause gives a weight of 3.35 grams. Zeno.ru is the best online database for Asian and Islamic coinage, but it's page for Ottoman Tunisia is pretty sparse - only 10 coins. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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I have been offered to buy 6 Ottoman Tunisian struck silver coin's dated 1158 FOR $250 each. The only thing is the man is very Old hes like in his 80s to 90s probably 85, The thing is should I tell him that these are rare and that there no where to be found, and that the price should be above that by 4 to 5 times. Or should I just shut up and buy them without any questions asked. BY the way he is the one that has the Large Ottoman Libyan struck coin, and says he has never found anything like it from before in his entire life of searching in parts of Libya, Using a Metal detector, I have the Coin With me, I offered him $300 and he accepted the cash. It looks so Beautiful, As soon as I'm dun with it ill post it in a new thread, a new thread just for it nothing else with it just this big large silver coin struck in Tripoli Libya, There's one problem the man scraped it with a metal brush causing miner scrap damage to it.
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Updating with new good quality photo's, plus adding two new coins.  Well I'm back sorry for the long absences from the forum, iv been on a advencher in Libya trying to dig up coins And man I tell you its not so easy to find hidden treasure and the only means of communication was by cell phone so I would log in and pop out with out posting anything sorry well anyway, I have devoted my self "NOW" to only look for The Ottoman Libya Coins, And its so Hard very hard in fact I gave up looking for Ottoman Libyan Coins, No just kidding not just yet at lest, Well I Found some silver coins, but that was about it. Ill post the Photos for every one to have a looky at them its not much but there good for now. There is something else that I will post and its the large Silver one that I bought from a person about a month or two ago, but I cant post the photos, I have to wait until I get it back from a Turkish professor he was very interested in it, It is under examination for now. Image: Libya1.jpg96.2 KB Image: libya2.jpg95.33 KB Image: libya3.jpg94.94 KB Image: libya4.jpg94.92 KB Image: libya5.jpg99.07 KB Image: libya6.jpg94.29 KB Edited by Silver Gorilla
04/25/2008 6:49 pm
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Hi there people, hope ya all doing good out there, Well posting new findings of Ottoman libyan copper coins, I could not find anymore Silver coins, Did not find much, maybe I'm looking in the wrong place, next time ill do better, "I think". Well if any one knows any info on them that would be grate. I found an Ottoman Libyan copper coin on ebay...... But it dos not look any way near the ones that I have posted up here. http://cgi.ebay.com/ISLAMIC-OTTOMAN...RR_W0QQitemZ160232266332QQihZ006QQcategoryZ4739QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Image: New1.jpg84.48 KB Image: New2.jpg81.54 KB Image: new3.jpg51.6 KB Image: new4.jpg61.51 KB Edited by Silver Gorilla
05/04/2008 2:40 pm
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These are beautiful coins...I really know nothing about Ottoman coinage, so it was fun to learn something here. |
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Yes Indeed there beautiful coins, And thanks for the Compliments Kurts, I guess now, we or I will just have to wait until Sap sees them.
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Hi - just wanted to add that I am in possession of a coin somewhat similar to the one pictured in "03.jpg" in the first post by Silver Gorilla. In fact, I've joined this forum as a result of my search to identify the coin. I obtained the coin when I purchased 20 uncleaned Roman coins from an ebay dealer and realized right away that it wasn't Roman after soaking and scrubbing it a bit. It is about 2.5 mm in diameter and thinner than a dime. It has been "holed" to be worn on a string and is pretty well-worn and tarnished in spots, making it difficult to read. On what I'm guessing is the obverse at about 2:00 is the design similar to ones I've seen in 03.jpg and elsewhere (which is what led me to believe that this coin is from Tripoli), the one that reminds me of two hearts superimposed over each other, and next to it is the larger object seen in the above coin that reminds me of a lobster with one oversized claw. Anyone know what these stylized objects are? On the other side (reverse?) is Arabic script and what appears to be a date at the bottom, luckily opposite of the bored hole. I cannot quite read the date at this time - may need to do a little more careful cleaning before I refer to Yeoman's "Modern World Coins" (I have Editions 4 and 5, which contain Arabic date charts). Are there any other good sites besides those mentioned here on which I can do more research? Any suggestions? Is this little coin worth three figures as apparently are some of the others mentioned here? Do I possess a clever forgery that somehow got mixed with the Roman "cleaners" that I obtained? Just what do I have? |
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Hi pls, and welcome. It depends on what exactly you've got, but neither of the features yo've mentioned are distinctly Libyan. If you can post a pic, that would be most helpful. Quote:
the obverse at about 2:00 is the design...that reminds me of two hearts superimposed over each other... I believe this is just a decorative element, and doesn't "mean" anything. If anything, it's a remnant of the old Turkic tamgha, a "cattle brand" tribal symbol used by the ancestors of the Ottomans prior to their conquest of Turkey. I don't think it's use was limited to Tripoli; many earlier Ottoman coins feature this or a similar heart-swirly-thing. Quote:
...and next to it is the larger object seen in the above coin that reminds me of a lobster with one oversized claw... This is the toughra, the signature of the Ottoman Sultan, made so ornate that even someone expert at reading Arabic has difficulty deciphering it. The Wikipedia article currently has an excellent animation on actually translating a toughra, but for all practical intents and purposes, all toughras look the same at first glance. The toughra was used on coins issued throughout the Empire, not just in Libya. S_G's coins are confirmed as being Tripolitanian by the mintname, written beneath the toughra (in the case of coin 03): Tarabalus Gharb, Arabic for "Tripoli of the West". Your coin may also predate your Yeoman catalogues; Ottoman coins of this style go back to the 1700's, even the 1600's. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Thanks for the excellent information, Sap. I'll try to scan the coin and post it later, but as I said, it's worn and tarnished and may not scan well - not to mention the fact that my scanner doesn't do color images very well. This little piece of silver is turning into an education of the Ottoman Empire, an important part of history that I don't recall studying in school at all (not that I remember much from 50 years ago, lol).
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Here are obverse and reverse views of the Ottoman coin I'm mentioned above, along with FDR for comparison: Image: Otto1.jpg53.96 KB Image: Otto2.jpg48.53 KB I'm so ig'nant that I don't know which side is which. In fact, as I've also said, this little coin is proving to be an education source probably a lot more valuable than what it's worth in terms on cash: I had to do some tweaking with the scanner to get it in focus (hint: make the scanner believe it's a photo, not a document), reduce it with Photoshop in size to fit here; and I'll probably have to learn some Arabic, at least numerals, before it's all over! |
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The side with the toughra is normally considered the "obverse". The mint-name on yours is on the other side, and it's Constantinople, Turkey. Looks like a small silver para of the 18th century - something like this one on Zeno.ru which, as you can see, has been holed in similar fashion. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Cool! And thanks so much for your expertise, Sap. Now that I know what I have, I can do some research on it. I believe I see a date on the reverse, but at the moment I can see only three digits. I'll have to get out the magnifiers and see what pops up. The remaining mystery: What was this little coin doing in a group of Roman cleaners? Only thing I can think of is that his Serbian source found it buried above a Roman coin cache, and it just got mixed in at the site. Anyway, what fun, and thanks again!
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