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1859 Cent Brockage Sold As An 1858, How Could This Happen!?

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 Posted 11/29/2015  9:37 pm  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list
Might be easy for a Haxby die tracker to identify it, but I guarantee you, it would take more than that to convince PCGS that it is an 1859 and not a 1858. They should have called it an 1858-59 strike.
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 Posted 11/30/2015  12:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add techwriter to your friends list
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Might be easy for a Haxby die tracker to identify it, but I guarantee you, it would take more than that to convince PCGS that it is an 1859 and not a 1858. They should have called it an 1858-59 strike.


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I'm not necessarily a Haxby die tracker but have studied enough to research these. As for PCGS I don't know their staff level expertise so can't comment.
Should have been listed as an 1858-1859 strike and would have kept confusion to a minimum; of course it probably would have kept the price down somewhat also.
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At the preview I asked Mr. Moore how PCGS could tell what year this coin was, he agreed that a dual year would have been more accurate and that an American expert in large cents would for sure know as many of you are also experts on these dies, but the coin is beautiful, if the bidding continued the floor bidder was not going to stop that day.
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At the preview I asked Mr. Moore how PCGS could tell what year this coin was, he agreed that a dual year would have been more accurate and that an American expert in Large Cents would for sure know as many of you are also experts on these dies, but the coin is beautiful, if the bidding continued the floor bidder was not going to stop that day.


So, my suspicion was correct, there was doubt thus listing as an 1858 made it "more valuable", shame on them for that. As for the floor bidder, if he had 'full disclosure' regarding the date perhaps his bidding would have been different.
Well, as they say it's water under the bridge now.
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That floor bidder would have bid till he won as he did on most items he was bidding on that night, everything from rare dates, currency, errors, the whole gammit price didn't seem to matter
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That floor bidder would have bid till he won as he did on most items he was bidding on that night, everything from rare dates, currency, errors, the whole gammit price didn't seem to matter


Oh well, we have all probably been to auctions like that.
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 Posted 11/30/2015  4:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john100 to your friends list
I thought the starting bid price was high on this coin, but what do I know
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I was not there in person, but I am glad that particular "floor bidder" was not aggressive on the coin I won!!

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He bid a couple times if my memory is correct on your coin and moved on, kind of luck of the draw.
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 Posted 12/01/2015  2:03 pm  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list
Chances are he bid a lot more aggressively on the very next lot... (brockage nickel dollar) - I pushed that one hard, but let go once it crossed $5K...
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Remember that in all of this there were at least 2 very interested people bidding on it..

Special coins usually go for big money,..
.. and the winner is still a very happy camper..
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Yes he did end up getting the nickel dollar, he was in a buying mood that day and next day too!
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Must be nice to have deep pockets... I really do need to win that LottoMax 50 Million jackpot this weekend!!
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. I really do need to win that LottoMax 50 Million jackpot this weekend!!


Well, it will never ..ever be me.
It's a personal thing...I never ever buy...and I never have..
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I usually buy one ticket, when I get a tank of gas... minor cost, for the wonderful dreams I get to have about winning....
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