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Attempting My First Cross, Need A Bit Of Help.

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 Posted 12/17/2015  2:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add edweather to your friends list
Good point about upping the insurance if it does cross. I'll keep you posted. have to get through Christmas first, and then scrape up the bucks and courage to send it out.
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 Posted 12/19/2015  5:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nickelsearcher to your friends list
Ed -

I viewed the coin in your prior thread ... thanks for the link.

Outstanding and beautiful Proof Lincoln ... and I believe to be DCAM though not a true expert.

I told you in my reply to the prior thread that I'll offer some advice .... take it for what it's worth to you.

ANACS certified coins from the generation yours was holdered do not have a good reputation in the marketplace. The graders at PCGS know this as well.

I'm thinking that if submitted to PCGS as a crossover in that ANACS holder ... and asking for PCGS PR69DCAM ... you are wasting your money and time and should just keep it as is.

Allowing for some level of PCGS 'downgrade' ... say PR68DCAM or PR67DCAM might allow PCGS to re-holder the coin ... you need to decide what is worth it to you.

The coin is for sure more marketable in a PCGS DCAM holder, regardless of grade.

Final piece of my advice ... you'll likely not like this part.

A grizzled coin veteran gave me the truth of the PCGS grading floor ... and it has informed the way I submit coins to PCGS ever since.

Every PCGS submitted coin is seen by two graders ... 20 to 30 seconds each. Their grading scores are entered into a computer and if 'close enough' the deal is done.

On occasion a third grader is used to resolve gaps between the initial two or for an unusually rare coin.

Be mindful Ed of the 20 to 30 seconds to examine the coin ...

For all holdered coins ... whether PCGS or crossover ... the first grader is eliminated.

The entire 'new' grade is determined by one PCGS wizard who has 20 to 30 seconds to make up his mind and move on.

I strongly suspect that if you attempt this crossover in that suspect generation ANACS holder ... that one PCGS grader will spend about 5 seconds and say 'done here'.

Here is the part you won't like ...

I crack out and submit all my re-grades as raw coins to PCGS ... gaining the benefit of two graders who need to agree.

If you are not willing to do this with your ANACS PR69DCAM 1959 LWC ... then I advise keeping it just as it is.

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 Posted 12/31/2015  2:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add edweather to your friends list
Went out in the mail today.

David, I appreciate your wisdom. For what I paid for it, it's worth a shot imo. If it doesn't cross, I can recoup my grading fees on a re-sale anyway. Not too much exposure here, just the grading fee and return postage.
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 Posted 01/19/2016  7:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add edweather to your friends list
Did not cross
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 Posted 01/20/2016  09:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cascade to your friends list
It's still in the anacs slab though right? Gonna try again? 4th or 5th time might be the charm. Or try NGC maybe
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 Posted 01/20/2016  09:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add edweather to your friends list
Yes, still in the slab. Will NGC cross an ANACS coin?
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 Posted 01/20/2016  12:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Fayette1800 to your friends list
Yes they will
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 Posted 01/20/2016  12:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cjweber to your friends list
I have a quick question for the group: in regards to previously graded coins by other companies, I have about 40 SEGS graded Ikes I'm about to send in to crossover to PCGS they have all been graded too low in my opinion (and I'll post some in that section later today to see if you guys agree with me). What is SEGS's reputation if I sent them into PCGS? Should I crack these out of their holders first? And just how the heck do I do that?!? These things are in there good!
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 Posted 01/20/2016  12:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cascade to your friends list
Segs has one of the worst reputations possible. I highly doubt your coins are under graded. You should REALLY start a thread to get other members opinions before such a large expense is undertaken cjweber
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 Posted 01/20/2016  3:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinlover168 to your friends list
Actually, NGC would not cross an ANACS. They only accept PCGS for crossovers. If you want to submit ANACS or other holdered coins to them, they say you have to break it out before or sign them permission to break it out for you.https://www.NGCcoin.com/news/article/1335/
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 Posted 01/20/2016  3:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add edweather to your friends list

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Actually, NGC would not cross an ANACS. They only accept PCGS for crossovers.


Ok, that's kinda what I thought, but will read their terms again to confirm. I like it in the ANACS holder, census 1/0, and the closest other one in an ANACS holder is 2 points lower. 4/0 total, including PCGS pops, and none in an NGC holder.
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 Posted 02/03/2016  2:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rgl1951 to your friends list
Feeling a little dumb..What do you mean by a cross or a crossover?
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 Posted 02/03/2016  2:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add edweather to your friends list
Taking a coin that's already graded in another grading company's holder and sending it to a different grading company to have them put it into their holder. In my case it was an ANACS graded coin, and I sent it to PCGS to see if they would grade it the same and put it into one of their holders. Again, in my case, PCGS felt the coin didn't quite measure up, so it didn't "cross over."
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 Posted 02/03/2016  2:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rgl1951 to your friends list
Thank you edweather
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 Posted 02/03/2016  3:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mdpmedia to your friends list

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What do you mean by a cross or a crossover?


Because your background in numismatics is an unknown to us, you may or may not be aware that the greater majority opinion in the community is that PCGS, NGC and ANACS are the top three TPGs (third party graders) in this order.

However, many feel, including myself, that the quality of the grading done by both PCGS and NGC are equivalent.

From my experience depending upon the particular situation PCGS slabs can sometimes bring around 10 - 15% more for the same coin compared to NGC in a retail environment.

Very seldom have I ever seen NGC slabs' pricing exceed those of PCGS and oftentimes they end up bringing just about the same price in the end.

On a side note I always used to mess up by saying NCG instead of NGC so I developed a dumb way on how to remember the distinction. Now when in doubt I just think, 'N'ot 'G'reat which are the first two correct letters of NGC even though the companies are identical in terms of quality control and professionalism etc.

To better clarify this issue here's a ten year old article to provide some historical perspective taken from ebay archives addressing the overall subject matter of PCGS vs NGC that could influence your decision in the crossing over process:

http://www.ebay.com/gds/NGC-vs-PCGS...32811/g.html

mdpmedia

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