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Will PCGS Cross An Segs Coin?

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 Posted 03/04/2016  2:32 pm  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list
Give PCGS a call and ask. They will probably say no but it doesn't hurt to ask. If you are concerned about cracking out the coin then most grading companies will do that for you as long as you make it clear it is being submitted raw.
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 Posted 03/04/2016  2:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list
NGC only accepts their own and PCGS for grading, reholdering their own and grade checking their own.

Send them anything in a slab for other than those purposes from any other company will result with the item or the entire submission form returned to you with a charge on your CC for the trouble of shipping and insuring.

Make life easy for everyone and simply follow their rules.
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 Posted 03/04/2016  4:47 pm  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list

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As they say on their website here: http://www.PCGS.com/crossover They only accept NGC, ANACS, and ICG for crossovers, so no, they would not cross a SEGS graded coin. You would have to crack it out yourself and submit it raw.


Incorrect. A quick search of their message boards states they also accept SEGS and PCI graded coins. PCGS will accept any holder. Again, just call to confirm before trying to crossover "off" label holders. In the past PCGS explicitly stated they would take any holder and perform a courtesy "crack-out" if you want them to grade it as raw but I don't see that right now.

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 Posted 03/05/2016  10:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list
I agree caTll and ask. hey used to accept any slab. If they now restrict it to ANACS, NGC, and ICG, that is a recent change. NGC has limited it to PCGS only for some time now.
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 Posted 03/05/2016  10:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cjweber to your friends list
Thanks guys! I hadn't see the updates to this post until just now... I really don't want to try and crack it out of these holders... I don't mind them only accepting them as "raw" because the grades given by SEGS were BS! (That's not a grading acronym, it's a bad word) I will give PCGS a call about it before I submit them
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 Posted 03/29/2016  10:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Broken-Coin to your friends list
The Top 6 Certification Services are;
PCGS
NGC
ANACS
IGC
*SEGS
*PCI
* = both SEGS & PCI are now considered 2nd Tier Grading Services..

Below is a screen shot from one of my facebook Coin Groups showing a ANACS VF-20 that just crossed over to VF-30 in a PCGS Holder..

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 Posted 03/29/2016  5:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BStrauss3 to your friends list
By whom?

PCI is a joke - the current incarnation has graded perhaps 10,000 coins since they resurfaced in 2012. And their grading over the years before that bankruptcy has been up and down. Oh, yeah and before 2012, they were engaged in fraud since the boiler room SELLING their "3rd party" coins was owned by the owner of PCI.

SEGS - well, SEGS has fans and detractors, with some people feeling they do well on certain series and less well on others.

The market has put ANACS and ICG in a separate tier from PCGS and NGC. You can call it 1.5, 2.0 or whatever...
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 Posted 03/29/2016  6:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Broken-Coin to your friends list
When I mention SEGS & PCI, I'm thinking pre-2003, not the later years..

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 Posted 03/29/2016  6:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add billjones to your friends list
I have not handled a SEGS coin in many years. The best one I ever had was an 1848-C $2.50 gold piece that they graded MS-63. It so happened that a dealer I knew also had an 1848-C quarter eagle in a PCGS MS-63 holder. The PCGS coin was a little better, but the price difference was huge. The SEGS coin cost $6,000; PCGS coin was $20,000.

I sold the SEGS coin for a $500 mark-up to one of the big coin companies, who I am sure cracked it out of that holder.

For the little guy who doesn't know any better, however, they don't know that one MS-63 to not the same as another MS-63. That's why SEGS can be dangerous if you don't know how to grade.
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 Posted 04/25/2016  10:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Andrew99 to your friends list
PCGS will crossover ICG? That's amazing if true. I have an MS-62 Barber dime in an ICG holder that has obvious wear on it.
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 Posted 04/25/2016  12:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Broken-Coin to your friends list
I should mention that 95+% of my SEGS, PCI & ANACS are error coins, where the type of error is more Important then the grade itself..

15 years ago it could easily cost more for NGC or PCGS certification then the error coins value..

I guess I'm comparing and ..
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 Posted 04/25/2016  12:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dipper to your friends list

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PCGS will crossover ICG? That's amazing if true. I have an MS-62 Barber dime in an ICG holder that has obvious wear on it.


Why is that amazing. *** Removed condescending remark *** the top four services grade pretty closely. The main reason NGC will not cross ANACS or ICG coins is THEY DON'T WISH TO GIVE THOSE TWO SERVICES ANY CREDIBILITY!

ALSO, *** Removed condescending remark *** for DECADES AU coins have commonly been slabbed by ALL the TPGS as 62's! You may wish to purchase "Grading Coins by Photographs" and read it.

Buy the coin and not the holder!

Finally, NEVER try to cross an MS-62 coin that has rub! Although it would cross if raw, the TPGS would rather tell you the coin in a competitor's slab is an OVERGRADED AU...LOL!
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 Posted 04/27/2016  1:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list

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PCGS will crossover ICG? That's amazing if true. I have an MS-62 Barber dime in an ICG holder that has obvious wear on it.

Sure they will cross it, not as a 62, you would have to do a "cross at any grade" and they will happily put it in a PCGS slab at the grade they feel it deserves. If you specify a minimum of MS-62 since that is what is on the holder it will just come back "Will not cross".
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 Posted 04/27/2016  2:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BStrauss3 to your friends list
Pretty sure that if you put 'any grade', they extract it from the slab, put it in a 2.5x2.5 and send it througn raw.
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 Posted 07/30/2016  10:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add copiedoffme to your friends list
They do crossover SEGS. My best crossover ever was SEGS 09-s vdb ms 65rd to PCGS ms65 rd! Set min as RB ms64 and was blown away they crossed it!
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