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Pillar of the Community
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I have to agree it looks promising-better pics needed...obverse,clearer one of the reverse and an edge view if you can thanks!
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Pillar of the Community
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Wouldn't a clip like that produce one heck of a Blakesly effect? All I see is a small rim hit opposite the clip. And I saw the obverse when he first posted aND absolutly no blakesly efret is present. The upset rim kinda stops right before the clip. Not sure what that means if anything but I'm just stunned if a true clip that there is no effect. Is this possible with such a large clip coop?
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Bedrock of the Community
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Sometimes the blakesley affect is on just one side. This maybe the case as only one image was provided. Looking at the ends of the clipped area is what is convincing to me. It is hard to copy that type of cut. The weakness looks like it might be right on the clipped area. Better images and both sides will tell us more of the story.
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Pillar of the Community
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Pillar of the Community
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I am surprised at not seeing any blakesly effect also but it does look genuine  Edited by Slamnbass
03/06/2016 7:08 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I would still like to see the area where the clip is closer to see if it looks altered. The edge of the clip looks a bit rough. The devices should fade a bit more than what I can see? There is also a bit of rub on the rims, that makes me wonder if it was held in something and altered?
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03/06/2016 7:25 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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Bedrock of the Community
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I'm still undecided about this one. There seems to be an issue to me of color of the coin. Most areas are a nice brown color. All area if the coin should look like that. But the clipped area seems to be a different color. (lighter) The rims show a lightning on the tops of them. (like the coin was held in something and altered) The devices don't seem to fade a much as I feel they should? (The images may not be showing what I to see on them) The missing Blakesley affect also bothers me. So I'm leaning right now to an altered coin. But don't toss it for now. Maybe better images might show me something different that is not seen on your current images.
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Pillar of the Community
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Coop... What angle do you need? I will be glad to try to take more. Just let me know. My photography skills are just okay on a good day! Thanks for being patient with me.
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Pillar of the Community
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I've seen the lack of blakesly effect before on large clips and questioned the same thing as to why? Did some research and as it turns out the larger the clip the more likely that the blakesly effect is not present(to my surprise) because of the large lack of metal the striking pressure is actually increased on the remaining planchet metal therefore allowing the metal to fill in the rim gutter where the blakesly effect would normally be seen
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03/07/2016 12:50 am
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Bedrock of the Community
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"STATES OF', the bottom of the bust near the clip area. On a incomplete planchet strike, the area next to the clip should fade in strength. I would like to see if that is the case on these areas. Here is what I'm wanting to see:  Note the weakening of the devices near the clip. Here is a straight clip close up:  But those areas I would like to see closer like these images. (we'll get you to be a better photographer yet) LOL But as Slamnbass mentioned, this may/may not affect the larger clips. |
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Rest in Peace
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Great discussion and examples provided. The larger clips do seem to have much less of a rim depression but most I've seen do have less detail on the surfaces near the clip.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Thanks for these extra images. They show what I needed to see.  It was cut to make it look like an incomplete planchet. PSD |
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Bedrock of the Community
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The rim is tapered on both sides and STATES OF does display some strike weakness, I am convinced that it is a genuine incomplete planchet error. Regarding the Blakesley Effect, it tends to be weaker on coins with a straight clip vs. a curved clip. Given two clips of equal size, a curved clip would display a stronger BE because the diameter at the clip site would be smaller than that of a straight clip(larger diameter equals more force applied to the edges during the upsetting process).
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