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Valued Member
United States
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I've personally never collected Romans but I would assume it would depend on really what you want to collect from each type. Maybe get one from each Emperor, one from each province, etc..
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Pillar of the Community
Spain
629 Posts |
I used to buy everything that I could afford to... After a while, I decided to buy only beautiful, affordable and interesting coins. I tried to make a small file about every coin before purchasing the next one (as you can imagine I failed, at those moments I was in a warship detached in a different city so when I visited my home I was not so self disciplined and always bought one or two coins). In this moment I´m exposed to a very great temptation because I usually buy great lots to sell and of course I always pick several coins... So to understand my method: I have no method at all. Or perhaps my method is similar to the method of the mad sniper, I shot to everyone at range.
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Pillar of the Community
Spain
629 Posts |
this is easier to do in Spain of course...
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Pillar of the Community
United States
6130 Posts |
I know there are several members on here who like to collect portraits of the same emperors. On paper, the dates all start to squish together, and it can be hard to remember that many emperors ascended to the title of Augustus as teenagers or young men and died after decades of rule. I believe that Marcus Aurelius and Caracalla are some of the more popular in this respect--their coins start out with boys, and progress to show bearded, wise old rulers.
You could also collect Gallienus, who rode the Roman economy into the ground through constant debasement of the silver coins until they were indistinguishable from the bronzes.
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Pillar of the Community
Belgium
1194 Posts |
I started in 1969 collecting first Roman and a little bit later also Greek coins .As it was not so easy to find this coins at the end of the sixties and beginning seventies , I tried always to merchand the best quality for the best price .In 1972 , I was staying about two years near to Bordeaux in France for my work , and there I had the possibility to buy an old collection of the brother of my house owner,who passed away a few months earlier . This was the very begin of my collection .During about 15 years , I bought Greek and Roman , mostly silver but without any sence of making a specific collection .From the end of the eighties on I begun to buy more antiquities,especially Egyptian ,till the moment my wife said there was no more place in our house . So I started again with my coins , mostly silver and mostly Greek , and if possible South Italian and now also Sicilian ,but all the time , I reserve a part of my budget for good deals , special coins or sometime an interesting lot .Since last year , I am also looking for medieval coins because I could make some good deals with this coins . Beside my antique coins , I have also a very big collection of coins from the 16th century on , wich I received from the grandmother of my wife .I had and still have a lot of work with this collection . For me is the work ,together with the pleasure to admire the coins , the best fun you have with coin collecting .When I am at home , I am spending every afternoon at this hobby , as in the morning I have to work in the garden ; I think it is an easy way to keep 'mens sana in corpore sano '. The best advice I can give is to buy allways the best quality you can pay . It is better to have 5 beautyful coins than 20 ordinary . Coin collecting takes time , so you will have the possibility to make a nice collection by being difficult on the quality .albert
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Pillar of the Community
United States
616 Posts |
Some general guidelines: Republic or Imperatorial/Imperial? If Imperial, silver/bronze/gold? I only collect imperial silver and my collection trails off as the silver content drops in the mid 3rd century. My initial focus was on collecting 1 coin/emperor from Augustus to Diocletian, but doing that I found the consecratio (deification) issues fascinating and so my collection has that as a focus. I also like the depiction of women on coins of the era, since I find that stylistically they are more pleasing than those of the men. It also brings history alive for me - such as Plautilla's holding Caracalla's hand on the back of some of her denarii. He later had her exiled and killed. Or Faustina I's consecratio issue. It's a very common coin but I've been to her temple in the forum, which is also depicted on one of her deification coins.
There are some coins that I will never get - like Elagabalus's 3rd wife Annia Faustina's denarius. Only a handful exist. But the point isn't to "collect them all" - it's to experience the joy of learning about a vanished people through the artifacts they've left behind.
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Moderator
 Australia
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There are many ways to collect ancient coins. One is not obliged to narrow one's field of collecting focus - I have not - but many collectors do so, to avoid feeling overwhelmed by the options.
Some, such as has been mentioned, are along the lines of "one of each emperor" - an overall theme covering the entire Roman period, and even beyond, since the division between "Roman" and "Byzantine" is purely a semantic one. This is popular, and how expensive it gets depends entirely on your definition of "emperor", as the hardest and most expensive are the usurpers who only reigned briefly, or in a very restricted geographic area.
One can focus on a particular emperor, or a particular Imperial family. Similar to this is the "Twelve Caesars" collection theme. How easy/expensive this is depends entirely on your target: the family of Constantine is cheap and easy, the Twelve Caesars is quite pricey (because it's so popular).
One can focus on a particular mint-city, especially in the Late Roman period when the concept of the easy-to-interpret mintmark was invented. If you're prepared to expand the field into Roman Provincial coins, then a further geographical theme can be aimed for, collecting the coins issued by specific cities or regions. THis is a popular method of collecting, and again the budgetary constraints depend entirely on what the target is. A large, wealthy city like Ephesus has plenty of coin types and is also quite popular due to the ruins being a modern-day tourist destination.
One can focus on "reverse types", similar to a "thematic" collector in the modern world coin series. Are you into astronomy? Then you can collect the "planetary" deities (Mars, Jupiter, etc). Engineering and architecture? Then coins featuring temples and monuments might appeal to you. Does the history of expansion of the Empire interest you? Then the theme of Imperial Provinces might engage you. Religion and philosophy? There's plenty of scope for a collection that illustrates the changing religious landscape of the Empire over the centuries as the various religions and cults gained and lost official favour. Such thematic collections are limited only by your own imagination and personality.
Personally, chronological systems - calendars and dates - are of interest to me, so I'll happily seek out and pay extra for a coin with a date written in an unusual calendar system, or a coin that can be dated to a particular significant year.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Pillar of the Community
United States
513 Posts |
Everybody has their own 'style' of collecting ancients but some standard frameworks are to try to get a good example of as many emperors as possible, picking a favorite emperor or time period and collecting as many nice specimens as you can from then, or just buying what you find interesting either due to the history of a coin or the aesthetics. I definitely fall into the third camp with a little bit of the first. Personally I like having coins from as many cultures as I can, especially if they're also aesthetically pleasing. I like having as many emperors as I can, again, especially if the coins look nice. There are several emperors of whom I have more than one coin, either because I've upgraded a coin, I've gotten a good deal on a good quality coin, or I liked the design on a coin even if it wasn't a straight upgrade of whatever I had before. Sometimes I start reading about a certain historical period and just get the bug to pick something up to hold in my hand while I'm reading. If only I could find something affordable for while I'm reading I, Claudius...
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Valued Member
United States
356 Posts |
As a recent novice collector, with only two years under my belt the first step was coming here and learning from the generous elders here. It has been invaluable and many of them have been extremely helpful. The second step was not only taking advantage of great sites like Wildwinds and other internet sources, but also acquiring some decent books and materials. I really like ERIC II, which can be found online. A goal, whatever it may be is essential. My goal, is a silver/gold coin of each Emperor albeit in some cases I have acquired a Bronze if the portrait was magnificent. Alas, some like Avitus, Or Romulus Augustulus will be beyond my reach but it's a lifetime project. Trust your instincts, if it sounds too good to be true, it usually is. If a coin is usually being auctioned by legitimate dealers in the $500-$1000 range, it is highly unlikely that the guy selling it on ebay for $50 is legitimate. However possibilities of great deals do exist. In two years I managed to score one great investment, I acquired an Hostilian Tetradrachm for $100 on ebay that CNG later sold for $1600, so it can happen, but it's rare. Finally, have fun, enjoy the process and always be prepared to spend more if the coin really catches your eye, quality over quantity. Good Luck!
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Pillar of the Community
 Poland
3201 Posts |
Thank you everyone for posting examples of various methods of collecting Roman coins and your other thoughts related to this subject. DavidUK: Quote: I made a small collection of about 12 Romans (...) Collecting a set of selected coins, each of some historical importance or at least related to a major event, is quite an interesting take on it, and one I haven't encountered before! This method could well be used to collect other cultures or countries as well (though I must say it does feel very random to someone who was taught to collect every date of every type available). moxking: Quote: I already knew buying cheap was not a good way to proceed. Yes, if I learned anything in the course of my collecting - it's that. Finn235: Quote: I agree that an organic collection is the best sort... much more personal than assembling a checklist of coins to get with a defined finish line. I haven't considered that before. But when you think of it - if every coin is your collection is selected for a reason (and that reason isn't of the my catalog says I need it type), there's a lot more meaning to it. On the flip side, if there comes a time when you need to sell, it's much harder to let such a collection go...  antwerpen2306: Quote: Coin collecting takes time , so you will have the possibility to make a nice collection by being difficult on the quality I realize that deciding to collect Roman coins will not result in having a large collection. The prices at reputable sites greatly limit the possibility of frequent purchases for me. Then, insisting on above-average specimens (regardless of the actual criteria employed) limits it even further. But when you do find something suitable among the hundreds of coins on offer, it has the personal factor, as pointed out by Finn235. caesar77: Quote: A goal, whatever it may be is essential (...) quality over quantity. That, in fact, summarizes the background to my question. For years - on and off - I've been buying random coins from various countries and eras. Just about the only good thing that came out of it is some familiarity with various coin types. Having nothing to show for all these years, I decided to give the process of selecting an area of collecting some more thought - hence this thread. Quote: in some cases I have acquired a Bronze if the portrait was magnificent It has been brought up 3 times already and it is something I have also noticed myself. The quality of the portraits on Roman coins varies greatly (for some rulers more than for others) - but the best ones are simply amazing. I am astonished at how good some of them can be! orfew: Quote: I started by reading books and websites for several months before buying my first ancient coin I must agree. Somehow, rushing to buy has never worked for me - for coins or any other collection. I wonder why... And that's even before we take the knowledge issue into consideration - the fakes, the prices, the relevant vocabulary etc. Quote: Find out what you are interested in and pursue that for which you have a passion. Having been collecting coins rather aimlessly, this time I have taken the time to attempt to properly select an area to pursue. I started with listing about a dozen - those that I found at least somewhat interesting over the years. Then, I listed pros and cons of collecting each of them. Having the arguments on paper, it was clear that only two of the initial options were viable - Roman coins and Germany. The problem is that at the moment it's still " Roman coins", not " The coins of Gallienus" (to quote Finn235's example).
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
2889 Posts |
I have a few denari but most of my Roman collecting focused on a single emperor, Diadumenian, and then I only collect bronze provincial examples (from the Greek city states with a quasi autonomous coinage).
So there's that type of focus option as well.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Pillar of the Community
United States
616 Posts |
"I have a few denari but most of my Roman collecting focused on a single emperor, Diadumenian, and then I only collect bronze provincial examples (from the Greek city states with a quasi autonomous coinage)."
Bacchus2 Wow that's a laser-like focus. Diadumenian was only Caesar/Augustus for a year.
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Pillar of the Community
 Poland
3201 Posts |
Quote: I also edited answers to that question asked ln 2004 on the Moneta-L Yahoo e-mail list Thank you, such list is what I initially wanted. And while at times, the thread went in a somewhat different direction, I do not complain 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3443 Posts |
A day late to the opinions page !
Buy what impresses you ........ don't buy to impress others ! Just because you see someone else purchase a nice Julius Caesar don't feel like this is a competition.
Buy what isn't "hot". Just like other collectibles the mob of Rome will chase after different areas at various times. Some emperors like Antoninus Pius and Marcus Aurelius seem to be much more reasonably priced at a fairly constant pace. Buy a high quality portrait (with common reverse type) coin of one of these two fellows and you should be happy for a long time. With patience one can be had for $50 or less !
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Buy an enormous (Greek) Ptolemaic Bronze. Just to get it out of your system. Think of it as an inoculation !
A fat AE of Ptolemy can be found for under $80 (with patience !) Great portrait style and always a handy weapon !
Patience is the most important factor. Bad decisions are usually made in haste. The coin waited 2,000 years to find you. You can take a few to find it.
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