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New UK 5 Pound Note Out In September With Pics

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 Posted 07/04/2016  03:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add redlock to your friends list
@NumisRob
Thanks for the explanation and clarification!
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 Posted 09/20/2016  10:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DavidUK to your friends list
I saw my first ones yesterday... it seemed everybody had one in their wallet except for me... (I was in Harlow at the time0

I had a brief look at them, and was struck with how small they are. The design is nice enough, I will have to put one aside so hopefully I get some fresh ones in my change (not sure how they are numbered but presumably I will be trying to save a mint AA01 serial if I can get my hands on one...)

What's everyone else think? Have you seen any yet?
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 Posted 09/20/2016  10:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lettow to your friends list
The IBNS discussion board has an interesting post about these. Apparently, the BoE has kept much of the AA01 block to itself. People who lined up at the bank on the first day were receiving other blocks. The lowest number available will be AA01 000017 which is being auctioned off for charity. AA01 000001 went to the Queen and the other lower numbers were apparently reserved for other such dignitaries.

Even the chief cashier whose signature is on the notes was in the queue to get new notes at one point.
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 Posted 10/05/2016  5:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chipjones to your friends list
here's mine got it today thanks again Rob

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 Posted 10/05/2016  9:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add augsburger to your friends list
May 2017 is early to be making them not legal tender. How many people go abroad and come back a year later, like I will do, only to find they can't even use the banknote. I'm hoping I don't have too many. Though not a worry as you can go to the bank, just a little annoying.
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 Posted 10/06/2016  12:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PacoMartin to your friends list
When the new £50 note was introduced there were over 200 million in circulation. The government allowed a period of 2.5 years before the old notes were invalid (Nov 2, 2011 - Apr 30, 2014). A total of 217 million £50 notes were destroyed in a one year period.

Right now there are roughly 350 million £5 notes in circulation, and the government is only allowing a few months (234 days) until the old notes are invalid. It is not clear exactly how many of the new polymer £5 notes have been produced. Perhaps the government is looking for a payday, assuming that tens of millions of notes never get turned in.

But Sweden is going to declare 134 million 100kr and 500kr banknotes invalid in only 9 months. Perhaps Britain is going to allow notes to be turned into banks next summer, the way Sweden is doing it.

Next fall the new polymer £10 banknote will be introduced, of which there are over 800 million in circulation. I wonder if they are going to make the paper ones invalid by May 2018?

Finally, there are over 2 billion £20 banknotes in circulation. They are also scheduled to be replaced by polymer ones after 2020.

Right now the Bank of England has not mentioned polymer £50 banknotes, not even on a vague timelines. Perhaps they never intend to produce them, but to eliminate the denomination.
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10/06/2016 03:01 am
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 Posted 10/07/2016  04:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PacoMartin to your friends list
Actually banknote news says Bank of England ordered 440 million of the new 5 pound polymer note.
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 Posted 10/07/2016  10:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add redlock to your friends list

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Actually banknote news says Bank of England ordered 440 million of the new 5 pound polymer note.


Do they give a source for this information?
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10/07/2016 10:12 am
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 Posted 10/09/2016  11:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PacoMartin to your friends list

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Great Britain new 5-pound polymer note unveiled for 13.09.2016 introduction
Jun 02, 2016 08:20 AM Category: Europe
The Bank of England has printed 440 million polymer 5-pound notes it plans to introduce 13 September 2016. A new 10-pound polymer note featuring Jane Austen is scheduled to be introduced in mid-2017. A new 20-pound polymer note featuring J.M.W. Turner is expected in 2020. The bank has not yet decided if or when it will introduce a new 50-pound note, nor if it will be paper or polymer.

Courtesy of Antje Bird.


Great Britain new polymer 5-pound note confirmed
Sep 13, 2016 11:24 AM Category: Europe
On 13 September 2016, the Bank of England introduced the first of 440 million polymer 5-pound notes printed by De La Rue. A new 10-pound polymer note featuring Jane Austen is scheduled to be introduced in mid-2017. A new 20-pound polymer note featuring J.M.W. Turner is expected in 2020. The bank has not yet decided if or when it will introduce a new 50-pound note, nor if it will be paper or polymer.
http://www.banknotenews.com/files/tag-polymer.php




Quote:
Do they give a source for this information?


Banknotes news does not provide a source other than saying
Courtesy of Antje Bird. I cannot find the source on the Antje Bird website.
https://minoa.li/

The Bank of England website seems to indicate that they ordered 477 million banknotes over a two year period, but unlike the BEP in the USA, the BoE does not report detailed production numbers by series.

Production of Bank of England banknotes (Millions of notes) 
 	£5	£10	£20	£50	Total
2014/15	221	210	340	72	843
2015/16	256	274	144	0	674
Edited by PacoMartin
10/09/2016 11:09 pm
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 Posted 10/10/2016  01:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Anaximander to your friends list
I don't have a paper £5 signed by Victoria Cleland, the current chief cashier. Is it because none have been made, holding off for the introduction of the new polymer note? Paper fivers currently in circulation seem to be generally tatty, which makes me think they have not been making paper replacements for a while.
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 Posted 10/10/2016  03:51 am  Show Profile   Check NumisRob's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add NumisRob to your friends list
There are no paper £5 notes with Victoria Cleland's signature:

http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/publ...015/031.aspx
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 Posted 10/11/2016  06:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PacoMartin to your friends list
The £50 note may be taken out of circulation after Bank of England says there are 'no plans' to introduce new plastic notes
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...are-unteara/

The ratio of £20 notes to £50 notes in circulation has been fairly steady for the previous 8 years although the £50 was slightly more common 9-12 years ago.
8.7 2004
8.9 2005
8.7 2006
8.9 2007
8.5 2008
8.1 2009
8.1 2010
7.8 2011
8.4 2012
8.5 2013
8.3 2014
8.2 2015
7.8 2016

The implication is that the £50 serves some value in British society, and they will have to increase £20 production by about 1/3 to replace the value of the £50.

Production of Bank of England £50 banknotes (Millions of notes)
2009/10 118 (older series)
2010/11 0
2011/12 278
2012/13 0
2013/14 90
2014/15 72
2015/16 0

On the other hand there has been limited production of the cotton £50 banknote in the last four years. Perhaps the speech at the unveiling of the new £5 note at Blenheim Palace, where Bank of England Governor Mr Carney said there were "no plans" to introduce a new £50 model, is a the first public announcement that there will be no more cotton £50 banknotes produced. When the £20 polymer banknote is introduced they will also announce a date when the £50 will become invalid.


In the USA the $100 circulated at half the rate of the $20 banknote (in total number of notes) and since 2008 has been circulating in higher numbers. Almost 80% of the value of US currency in circulation is in the $100 banknote. So to eliminate the denomination (even allowing for some increase in the $50 banknotes) would have a massive effect on world finances.

Ratio of $100 banknotes in circulation over $20 banknotes
57% 1995
59% 1996
66% 1997
71% 1998
67% 1999
78% 2000
84% 2001
88% 2002
91% 2003
96% 2004
93% 2005
93% 2006
93% 2007
100% 2008
103% 2009
108% 2010
110% 2011
116% 2012
119% 2013
125% 2014
126% 2015

Edited by PacoMartin
10/11/2016 06:35 am
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 Posted 10/12/2016  07:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PacoMartin to your friends list
At current rates of exchange 20GBP=217SEK. If UK were to follow through with their plan to eliminate to the £50 banknote one way would be to replace the present mix of 2,052 million £20 notes and 263 million £50 notes with 2,710 million polymer banknotes of £20 value. As the actual transfer won't happen for several years, the numbers will be higher.

The value of all four denominations of GBP banknotes is £63,601 million or roughly £1000 per capita if you include coins.

But even if the British radically beat the Swedes by having the largest banknote worth roughly 200SEK (while the 500SEK and 1000SEK banknotes are still in circulation) the total value of banknotes and coin relative to GDP is still much higher. The £5 and £10 banknotes plus coins are worth £221 per capita, while the GDP is £28,700 per capita. So the small notes and coins are worth about .8% of GDP.

So the big question would be would the Bank of England not only remove the £50 banknote, but following Sweden's lead not replace them with an equivalent amount of smaller denominations.

Remember that the Bank of Canada made the promise to supply a sufficient number of smaller denomination banknotes when they removed the CAD$1000 banknote in the year 2000. Of course, it was a fairly easy promise to make for the Bank of Canada to make since the amount of money circulating in the $1000 banknote was under CAD$4 billion, whereas for UK the amount is £13 billion in the largest banknote.







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 Posted 09/28/2020  08:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add redlock to your friends list
Does anyone know how many of the new £5 (and £10 and £20) were produced between 2017 and 2020?

Unfortunately, the Bank of England has stopped putting this data onto their website. (At least, I cannot find it). The last time this data was released was for the period 2016/2017.

I know from a report about cash in the UK which was published by BoE that the £5 and £50 were printed 2018/19, the £10 and £20 2017/18, 2018/19 and 2019/20. But not how many.
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 Posted 10/01/2020  2:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PacoMartin to your friends list
To clarify redlock's statement the Central Banks seem to be obfuscating the number of banknotes produced and the number of banknotes issued. The Bank of England has a table of banknotes issued, but they may have produced a lot more.

Value of banknotes issued (£ millions)
Each year we issue new banknotes to replace unfit ones and to meet any increases in overall demand. The value of each denomination issued are shown in the table below.

          £5	£10	£20	£50	Total
2013/14	  793	2,141	5,281	2,260	10,474
2014/15	  869	2,433	6,202	2,165	11,668
2015/16	  977	5,683	5,056	1,831	13,547
2016/17	1,643	4,008	6,382	3,188	15,220
2017/18	  386	8,192	3,291	2,169	14,039
2018/19	  154	3,568	1,211	1,616	 6,549
2019/20	  226	3,002	5,198	  369	 8,795


The US seems to be very clear (unless they are having problems) about production numbers, but they don't release statistics about number issued. For example, the 2009 color $100 banknotes are listed as 1,440,000,000 produced but they had serious flaws in them and were held back until better machinery could be developed to remove the flawed notes. To this day they have never released how many of these notes were actually issued.

Sweden consider production quantities (actually order quantities) as a state secret, so we don't know how many 1000SEK banknotes were actually ordered. They only distribute a tiny number of these notes, so nobody knows if they have a warehouse full of 1000SEK notes if the economy were to tank.

Sweden circulation number in millions of SEK
3,128 kr --- coins (1kr, 2kr, 5kr and 10kr)
41,869 kr --- 500kr notes (worth US$55.88 apiece) for ATMs
12,044 kr --- 20kr, 50kr, 100kr, 200kr, 1000kr banknotes
5,493 kr --- Invalid banknotes which can still be turned in to the Central Bank, but are not legal tender in stores.

Norges bank ordered 24.4 million new 1000NKK banknotes in 2019 (launched on 14 November 2019) to replace the 11.5923 million 1000NKK banknotes in circulation at the end of 2019. So we have good evidence that Norges will still be supporting this denomination for the next decade at least.

It is not clear how cashlessness will come about (if ever). South Korea has declared coins will no longer be legal tender at some date, with the possibility that notes may not be legal tender at some date in the future.

Sweden will probably wait until they issue the e-krona, and also the invalid banknotes have reached their expiration date. They could stop production of all but the 500kr banknote so foreigners, or people who are stuffing money under a mattress, and the inflexible can still get cash from ATMS. But change can only be provided on phone apps or cards or deposited into bank accounts with SWISH.
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10/01/2020 3:03 pm
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