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 Posted 06/19/2016  12:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TaeKenDo to your friends list
Thanks for the encouragement wildflowerAB, I'm sure he isn't a bad guy and Pacificoin is vouching for him. We all have our moments. I'll be glad when it's over, it's so piddly.
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 Posted 06/19/2016  02:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add drk1 to your friends list
What. a. mess. It seems like both the OP and the seller are good guys who managed to get into a tussle. It's not about the scratch on the coin, it's about two people, both of whom felt that they'd been abused and both of whom overreacted. I'm guessing that the seller didn't like the buyer's tone when approached about the scratch that didn't show up on the scan, and things just escalated from there.

I've got to say that posting negative feedback with an unsubstantiated accusation of fraud is way over the top. If I were the OP I would immediately ask ebay to remove the negative feedback, or at least the comments about Photoshopping, and apologize to the seller. I would probably accompany the apology with an account of how I felt that the seller had been out of line to begin with, leading me to overreact, but try to word it so that it was more conciliatory than inflammatory.

Just my 2¢ worth.
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 Posted 06/19/2016  04:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TaeKenDo to your friends list
Haha...that's funny, I just got through a few minutes of contemplating getting the FB removed entirely and putting this to rest. As long as it's there, I'll be connected to it and it will annoy me every time I think of it. I'll look into it tomorrow because I couldn't find a way to do it through my ebay account, I tried. I guess ebay has full control of the FB.
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06/19/2016 04:32 am
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 Posted 06/19/2016  5:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TaeKenDo to your friends list
A little update to be fair to those who contributed their experiences as well as their opinions & advice. I still stand behind my opinion which is shared by a few others here that he should have disclosed the missing scratch because it would have changed my bid or I would have let it go altogether. I wouldn't have been disappointed at all, nor returned it if even a hint of it was in the photos (or the seller mentioned it in the listing).

I sent a message to the seller but he hasn't responded with a FB removal request, nothing I can do until he does. I called ebay and they said he has to request the removal from you, ebay no longer removes Pos. or Neg. FB, it has to come from the buyer & seller. I guess ebay's getting tired of playing referee...loll

My message to the seller:

I have decided to request ebay remove the Neg. FB I left for you regardless of their decision. I think I reacted to your accusatory message and was extremely insulted but over-reacted. I am a very honest buyer & seller and would NEVER switch out a coin to rip someone of, especially not a $20 coin. Don't you think that if I would try to rip someone off that I would have chosen a coin with a worthwhile value...?

I'm sure your are a decent person as well and things got a little over heated. I wish you the best with your store in the future.

My regards,
Ken
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06/19/2016 5:40 pm
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 Posted 06/20/2016  09:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinsarecool to your friends list
I am a seller on ebay and I really wish I knew TaeKenDo ebay name. Just wanna block him from my auctions. So not cool man.
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 Posted 06/20/2016  3:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add doubleeagle59 to your friends list
As I stated earlier, I think Ken is in error on this one as the pictures show enough scratches/marks that missing one more is not a critical factor.

However, I do like the fact that Ken sent that last email to the seller and I'll give him full marks for being very sincere and thoughtful.
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 Posted 06/20/2016  4:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add syeb to your friends list
Without addressing the main issue here, couldn't you just send the conciliatory email without the gratuitous dig at the seller:

......"especially not a $20 coin. Don't you think that if I would try to rip someone off that I would have chosen a coin with a worthwhile value..."

Respect and politeness go a long way in this, and any business.
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06/20/2016 4:29 pm
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 Posted 06/20/2016  8:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TaeKenDo to your friends list
I understand everyone thinking I should be the gracious one but where does the seller's responsibility come in... I was forthright with him from the beginning and got blasted. I don't know how many here who are so quick to judge Me for defending my integrity from an accuser, would have kept their cool perfectly. I made an effort to make amends but it wasn't a dig at the end, it was a logical conclusion. If the seller had have stopped & thought for a second before replying the way he did that set this ball in motion, I wouldn't have shared this experience. The reason I did was because in 11 years on ebay, I've never been accused of this, nor spoken to this way. I began by looking for opinions of the likeness of 2 coins, not a whole saga being made out of it.

Coinsarecool: tae-ken-d0 (zero, not o) feel free to do what pleases you, no probelm whatsoever.
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 Posted 06/21/2016  12:34 pm  Show Profile   Check nss-52's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add nss-52 to your friends list
It is too late now, but in the future my free advice is to always reserve leaving feedback until the transaction "is over". By that I mean, you are satisfied with your purchase, or any return is completed and you have your money back. It is my personal opinion that feedback should the the LAST thing a buyer does and signals the end of the transaction from the buyer's perspective.

You were treated improperly by the seller.
You, however, made a false accusation in your feedback comment.


Neither of you are completely in the right, here.

If it were me, I think I would let the comment stand. Changing it to a neutral makes no real change since ebay treats neutral feedback the same as negative. Leaving it as a negative but changing the comment would be just throwing salt into the wound.
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 Posted 06/21/2016  12:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TaeKenDo to your friends list
I changed it to a Pos. (Green) FB with a Neutral comment (Ok.)
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 Posted 06/21/2016  12:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TaeKenDo to your friends list
Advice taken.
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 Posted 06/22/2016  11:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Osiris to your friends list
Some people on this site are pretty quick to roast the buyer, and defend a seller they know. That last part is no surprise, but the comments sure seem tilted towards the buyer being wrong.

I've dealt on ebay since 1998 with no negatives and 100% positive as both a buyer and seller, and I was treated in a similar way here last year. My sympathy is more on taekendo's side in this one.
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 Posted 06/23/2016  09:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TaeKenDo to your friends list
Thanks Osiris, I noticed the same thing & appreciate the support. As I said before, in 11 years on ebay, I have never rec`d nor given a Neg because although some seller or buyers have been difficult, I have never had my integrity & integrity insulted like this for a $20 coin. If a buyer had said the coin you sent me doesn`t show a deep scratch in the listing, the first thing I would respond is that I didn`t notice and offer a partial refund or to refund the coin. And if the buyer to the time to send me very clear photos for me to examine, I would take the time rather than blast him back with accusations of thievery off-hand and then blast him some more because he defends himself from my accusations.

I have also contributed to this forum on several occasions in various threads. This doesn`t mean I deserve special treatment, nor is any expected. I`m not interested in playing the martyr either and crying over spilled milk. What`s done is done. I`ve done my part, removed the neg. FB, tried to make amends for my contribution to the escalated tension between myself & the seller because I added fuel to his fire.

Even if ebay rules in my favor in this dispute, it will be less than satisfying victory, but at least justice will have taken it`s course and the page will be turned.
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06/23/2016 09:09 am
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 Posted 06/23/2016  10:45 pm  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list
On ebay with the way things are, with the buyer always being right it is best for a seller to do only one thing.
A no questions , satisfaction guaranteed , or a cheerful refund. It is insane for a seller to even get into it with a buyer.
A buyer on a mission can destroy a sellers ebay account so fast it would make your head spin.
The way we do it is offer a 14 day full return privilege for any reason. As a member of the ANA I am duty bound to offer return privileges anyways. Even if an ebay seller does NOT offer returns , the buyer still has 100 per cent recourse and will get money back anyways.
Best advice to all sellers keep smiling , stay positive and stay out of GONG shows such as what went on here.
Also a little more " grandfatherly" advice from an old war horse. If you are selling on ebay to Canadian Buyers , do not sell items unless you are going to track them . This pretty much is the only way to bullet proof your account.
Since tracking in Canada is very expensive , you really cannot sell 5 to 50 dollar items very easily. You don't track and you are wide open to getting crucified by the " I didn't get it " scammers. These kind of individuals will destroy your account.
To finish my rather lengthy tome , in over 41 years of being a coin dealer and 16 years selling on ebay , I have had only a hand full of bad experiences. That said only one was NOT with a Canadian.
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 Posted 06/24/2016  12:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TaeKenDo to your friends list
I've shipped to CDN buyers without tracking and haven't had a problem in 11 years but I've had problems with both CDN & US sellers, I would say about half-half. But then I buy way more than I sell so...

I chose to close the case after winning my dispute without sending the coin back. Rather than put salt in the wound and have the seller pay another $20 for return shipping which is required by ebay, I think it's enough now & time to move on.
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