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1936 Bar Variety 25 Cents - Need Help On This One.

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 Posted 07/14/2016  4:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TaeKenDo to your friends list
Yeah the toning is amazing and what attracted me to it. Then I noticed the Bar. I think I got caught due to lack of experience on the grading being listed as UNC as I over paid it. Thought I had the deal of my lifetime. I wanted to try and get at least MS60-62 in the regular-bar & dot for this year.
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 Posted 07/14/2016  4:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TaeKenDo to your friends list
Yeah I noticed thanks. But I'm also looking at the lower leaves & comparing those...

I think it's the leaf to the right of the 6 I am focused on more since it's the most worn and draws my eye right to it.
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 Posted 07/14/2016  6:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alan to your friends list
I don't think it's au, its an ef 40-45 IMO too much wear for au
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 Posted 07/14/2016  6:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add doubleeagle59 to your friends list
Weak strike and wear can sometimes (more likely 'rarely') be confusing.

When you take in the overall specs of these two coins (looking at fields and surface marks), the OP's coin and the ms64, are miles apart in grade.

I still think it would be next to impossible to get an AU grade from ICCS for the OP's coin.
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 Posted 07/14/2016  7:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alan to your friends list
It's nice appealing coin, you have a nice tone that covers some of the wear, this bar variety in ef should expect full trends, cause it's a darned nice looking coin and good variety, but no au, but you may get an au price because of the appeal
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 Posted 07/14/2016  8:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list
I think it's a weakly struck MS coin.
Later GeoVs are known for that.
The high points that appear worn also lack toning.
Wear did not happen after the coin toned.
The coin likely spent a long time in an envelope obverse side down.
The highest points were in contact with the envelope and thus did not tone.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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 Posted 07/15/2016  12:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TaeKenDo to your friends list
DBM, now that's nailing a coin down. Almost coin forensics..loll (Not sarcasm) Just a very cool theory/opinion and if it turns out to be the case, I'll be very happy. I need to get a PCGS grade form because I have to send it in along with my potential 1882H 25 cents specimen. Two intriguing coins that I just have to get to the bottom of. I'll try to send in at least a couple more to get a bit of a price break and will come back & post the results. Thanks for all the opinions, appreciated.
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 Posted 07/15/2016  12:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alan to your friends list
You should post the 1882h quarter that be neat to see!

I see what dbm is saying but my one issue with that theory is theer is little to no underlying luster and there is undeniable wear on the leaves, I think we can agree on that- unless,the toning,is deceiving me. Thanks for sharing this beauty.
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 Posted 07/15/2016  01:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pokermandude to your friends list
Probably EF-45. It has a shot at an AU-50 ICCS holder, if the lustre is stronger than it looks in the photos. There is wear definitely wear on this piece. Incompleteness in the strike will generally only show on the very highest points and in small amounts. Look at the leaves on the reverse and there are many, larger flat areas.
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 Posted 07/15/2016  01:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TaeKenDo to your friends list
My pleasure. I posted the 1882H before in this forum but it's been too long I think, I can't locate it so I'll repost the pics here. The first 2 are from a scan, the others are photos.

Just to save some comments, the white you see in and around letters, numbers, leaves etc is not from a cleaning. It is the silver from the coin as the toning doesn't go all the way up to there. Just like on the 1936 above around the diecrack if you look at the very bottom of the wreath, it's like that. I thought it was paste residue from a past cleaning but under a digital microscope, I can clearly see the silver coin and No residue. At least I'm 99% sure that's what it is. It's always good to leave some room for doubt.

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 Posted 07/15/2016  12:31 pm  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list
The 1936 pictured appears to have light cabinet friction on both sides has been retoning in a paper holder with high sulphur content. Touch weak for strike. ICCS 50 NGC 55.
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 Posted 07/15/2016  12:37 pm  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list
There is something definitely not right with that 1882 H. Without seeing it in hand it looks like it has been cleaned and artificially retoned . Or some kind of environmental problems. Best way get it holdered by NGC and crossed by ICCS. I would love to see the results when done and be proven wrong. Very high grade Vickie if it comes back straight graded.
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 Posted 07/15/2016  12:37 pm  Show Profile   Check thedollarman's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add thedollarman to your friends list
Feel free to call me Will.
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 Posted 07/15/2016  7:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TaeKenDo to your friends list
Thanks Dollarman...I couldn't find my prior post for this coin...
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 Posted 07/16/2016  2:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Canacoins to your friends list
Its really hard to get past the toning , but I'm with Doubleeagle .
"JUST" shy of AU. But?
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