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1936 Bar Variety 25 Cents - Need Help On This One.

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 Posted 07/14/2016  3:17 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add TaeKenDo to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Was advertised as UNC but it is clearly not. But I would like some opinions on where it sits between EF45 & AU58

Thanks.

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 Posted 07/14/2016  3:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add doubleeagle59 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
yes, a true 'bar' variety, but I would say only an ef45.
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 Posted 07/14/2016  4:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AgHoarder to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
36's are notorious for weak strikes as are the 21's. I'm looking at the rims and don't see the normal wear an EF would have. I'm still learning the difference between a weak strike and wear but i'd be this coin is AU55 or higher
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 Posted 07/14/2016  4:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TaeKenDo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hmmm, I agree with the lack of rim wear & never thought about that so AU for that but the surface wear might lean it more towards EF. Wonder if it was graded if it would end up in the middle, say AU50 although that would obviously depend on who was doing the grading.
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 Posted 07/14/2016  4:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GregJG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Toning is to die for !

EF-45 Bar variety for sure :)
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 Posted 07/14/2016  4:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TaeKenDo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah... a little out of my 36's league...lol But mine does have the Bar...haha But maybe there is more play room than I'm giving it credit for.
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 Posted 07/14/2016  4:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AgHoarder to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you look at the link to the MS64, you can see a weak strike on the crown, moustache, cheek and eyebrow.
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 Posted 07/14/2016  4:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TaeKenDo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah the toning is amazing and what attracted me to it. Then I noticed the Bar. I think I got caught due to lack of experience on the grading being listed as UNC as I over paid it. Thought I had the deal of my lifetime. I wanted to try and get at least MS60-62 in the regular-bar & dot for this year.
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 Posted 07/14/2016  4:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TaeKenDo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah I noticed thanks. But I'm also looking at the lower leaves & comparing those...

I think it's the leaf to the right of the 6 I am focused on more since it's the most worn and draws my eye right to it.
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 Posted 07/14/2016  6:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't think it's au, its an ef 40-45 IMO too much wear for au
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 Posted 07/14/2016  6:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add doubleeagle59 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Weak strike and wear can sometimes (more likely 'rarely') be confusing.

When you take in the overall specs of these two coins (looking at fields and surface marks), the OP's coin and the ms64, are miles apart in grade.

I still think it would be next to impossible to get an AU grade from ICCS for the OP's coin.
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 Posted 07/14/2016  7:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's nice appealing coin, you have a nice tone that covers some of the wear, this bar variety in ef should expect full trends, cause it's a darned nice looking coin and good variety, but no au, but you may get an au price because of the appeal
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 Posted 07/14/2016  8:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think it's a weakly struck MS coin.
Later GeoVs are known for that.
The high points that appear worn also lack toning.
Wear did not happen after the coin toned.
The coin likely spent a long time in an envelope obverse side down.
The highest points were in contact with the envelope and thus did not tone.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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 Posted 07/15/2016  12:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TaeKenDo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
DBM, now that's nailing a coin down. Almost coin forensics..loll (Not sarcasm) Just a very cool theory/opinion and if it turns out to be the case, I'll be very happy. I need to get a PCGS grade form because I have to send it in along with my potential 1882H 25 cents specimen. Two intriguing coins that I just have to get to the bottom of. I'll try to send in at least a couple more to get a bit of a price break and will come back & post the results. Thanks for all the opinions, appreciated.
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 Posted 07/15/2016  12:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You should post the 1882h quarter that be neat to see!

I see what dbm is saying but my one issue with that theory is theer is little to no underlying luster and there is undeniable wear on the leaves, I think we can agree on that- unless,the toning,is deceiving me. Thanks for sharing this beauty.
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