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1883-O DMPL Morgan...need Help With Grading Please

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 Posted 09/13/2016  10:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 40Proof to your friends list
Thanks, Mont. My concern is the rim dings, though. How much does that knock down the grade?
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 Posted 09/13/2016  10:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list
Obverse contrast is weak but if it's got 12" mirrors then I would say 63 DMPL is appropriate. Strike is above average for a New Orleans coin. The rim hits, being located on the reverse, and relatively minor, do not severely affect the grade, in my opinion.
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 Posted 09/13/2016  10:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 40Proof to your friends list
Thanks, Paralyse. As I mentioned, my pictures are lacking. The seller has a much better setup to photograph coins, particularly when it comes to lighting, and the contrast is much stronger than you see in my lame image.
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 Posted 09/13/2016  10:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Joseph7420 to your friends list
MS-63 DMPL.
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 Posted 09/14/2016  01:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MontCollector to your friends list

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Thanks, Mont. My concern is the rim dings, though. How much does that knock down the grade?


Your welcome, and I agree with Paralyse, the rim dings are too minor to hold the coin back.
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 Posted 09/14/2016  07:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list
I agree with 63DMPL based on your photos and description. I'll add that it's a VAM-2 which seems to be readily available in PL condition. The die gouge off the letter I makes for easy attribution for any one looking for one.
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 Posted 09/14/2016  08:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 40Proof to your friends list
Thanks for pointing that out, Dave. I'm not very knowledgeable about varieties, but after doing a little research, you appear to be correct.

Also, I just realized I can use the "direct" function to insert pictures, as opposed to having to upload them. I've been having to dumb down photos in order to meet the upload requirements, which has really been hindering my images. Here's an 1880-s that I'm considering sending to ANACS, too. Unfortunately, only the obverse is DMPL, but I believe they'll note that distinction on the holder. You can see the details much better with this one than the pics I used for the 1883-o.

1883-O-DMPL-Morgan...need-Help-With-Grading-Please
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 Posted 09/14/2016  1:36 pm  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list
It doesn't look DMPL to me. The obverse field in front of the face disqualifies it IMO. The mirrors and frost need to have 100% coverage, or darn close to 100%, and this coin doesn't appear to have it. That said the original coin posted looks 64 to me. MS64PL would be my grade.
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 Posted 09/14/2016  1:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 40Proof to your friends list
For better or worse, I updated the photos in my initial post. Also, is there a source for determining what qualifies as DMPL? I know there are certain thresholds that have to be met, but some of them are clear while others are not. In other words, some seem subjective (at the discretion of the grader), and not all grading companies are the same. Obviously, photos can make a coin appear DMPL when it's not, and vice-versa, based on quality of the image, lighting, editing, etc. I know what I have based on those things I can accurately measure, but it's difficult to gauge the other variables.
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 Posted 09/14/2016  4:00 pm  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list
Here's a couple links for you to consider: http://boards.collectors-society.co...mber=2188520

http://www.PCGS.com/books/silver-do...r15-036.aspx

A good rule of thumb is don't pay DMPL prices for uncertified coins because 99% of the time they won't make it at a TPG. Your coin has likely been submitted and didn't make the grade. While small bagmarks and light scuffs can be overlooked, there are areas on both surfaces of this coin that go well beyond that IMO.
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 Posted 09/14/2016  4:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Agree 63DMPL, shot at 64.
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 Posted 09/14/2016  4:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list
MS63 it does appear DMPL. the 83'O' strike is typically average to a bit soft. you have a pretty nice strike on this one. better than average
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 Posted 09/14/2016  7:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 40Proof to your friends list
Thanks, BH1964. I don't think this coin was ever submitted. The guy I buy from is local and almost always sells raw coins. He's always been spot on when it comes to condition and designations, too. However, I always value raw coins at least one grade below what I think they are (to be conservative) and will only pay PL prices even if it looks to be a strong DMPL. As I mentioned, this coin has 12-inch mirrors on both sides (well above the threshold) and I believe some gray areas are actually due to my camera lens interfering with the cameo, because these spots aren't stationary and move around as the camera/lens moves. The fields do have a lot of chatter and the frost is moderate, though. In any event, I appreciate the links and honest opinion.
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