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With the star/anchor design, it's pretty easy to tell; the lepton weighs about a gram or less (there really is no set weight; they just didn't care) while the Prutah is a thick, better struck coin that weighs several grams. The ones I posted are about 9 and 11-12mm, and I think both weigh about 0.75 grams.
The double cornucopia designs, I am not really sure. They are in the middle in terms of both size and weight, and are usually called prutot.
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Thanks for the extra information Finn235. It's very helpful. I never realized how much there could be to learn about one type of coin! :) Do you know where I can find a list of fair prices for this coin in different conditions? The ones I have seen have had a pretty big difference in price and condition. Thanks again. :)
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Couldn't even begin to answer that, sadly. The price does tend to surge right before Christmas; they are popular as gifts.
Stick around and chat for a little bit; I (or another member who has one) could probably work out a fair price for you.
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@GC, yes this is a better place to post as many folks who collect only US coins may not have heard of vcoins. The seller isn't Dar Almhml is it? I think that he mainly sells Islamic coins, but I did have a very positive experience buying from him and his shop is out of Dubai.
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz
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I can tell you, without even consulting VCoins for confirmation, that this is "Z" from our thread: http://goccf.com/t/251229and https://www.cointalk.com/threads/fr...llow.290945/Yes, his coins are genuine but (and, I guess I should add "in my, and just about everyone else's, opinion) their patinas are doctored. He doesn't yellow his coins as much as he used to, but he still works them.
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You know Ginger you can just buy this lot, not one of mine. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Maccabee-LO...AOSwubRXFrq9This man is interesting. His name is David Green, retired in Florida and he buys other auctions and resells them. But oddly enough, for a great many years David Hendin (the expert on these and the man who's name the system uses for ID's of Jewish ancients) anyway for a great many years until very recently David Hendin was having weekly sales to move Jewish coins and often, quite often David would buy all of his lots, outbid me and everyone else. I just figured he was quite bored as he does that. Anyway this lot of 9 coins has a widows mite (lepton) then to the right the larger prutah of the series and then a bunch of Maccabbee coins with proto hebrew, which you can think the commandments were written in. These things are so common and had Jesus not told the parable no one would have ever cared about the mites. They hold so little value even today and the amazing priced ones are usually the Prutah's with the nice letters and anchor. But did the widow really drop in the nice prutah? Probably not. Why David Green did this, bought all of Hendins stuff for so many years? No idea. I can often look up what he paid and offer $5 over and he takes it. Then he buys back from me and resells. Just a fun guy really. But he does provide a time capsule of deals from Hendins past sales. Often the same photos. So you know the pedigree. Also you put a shovel in the ground in Israel you get this stuff. On another note these were a captured people and the ore was pretty weak so if anyone cleans them too much they decay especially if you live on like an island off Georgia. You live in Arizona you are always good to go. Oh and by the way, to know the levels of these coin? Here are the nicer ones he has still pretty cheap: http://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Two-Wid...AOSwd0BV67T6And here are the weak cheaply cut leptons: http://www.ebay.com/itm/JUDEAN-WIDO...CXmDdQArZ9RwWildly different prices right? But the truth is if the story is true, she probably had two of the really weak ones with a few details on them. She was a very poor widow. So year, I know for a fact David has thousands of these like he once asked Hendin to get him couple thousand of the common Herod's grandson Agrippa coins with the wheat. He is really just that bored but a great guy all around.
Edited by louisvillekyshop 04/21/2017 12:52 am
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Thank you everyone for the helpful information and suggestions.
Bob L, yes the seller is "Z" and the coins are pretty yellow, so it must be the same person we're talking about. :) Do you happen to know if there is any way to get that yellow off the coins when I get them without causing damage to them?
Again, thank you to everyone for all your help!!
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Just read the links you posted Bob L (thank you for those), not sure what to do now. I think I'll keep looking and educating myself on this subject before I buy. Does that fake patina damage the coin? It seems like it makes them look like a better grade than they actually are and sellers are maybe overcharging? So much to learn. Eventually I might reach 50 posts and buy from someone here. That is starting to seem like the safest choice. Hmm... :)
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Truth is you can just buy from these guys below and they are all quite real and decent prices. http://www.thewidowsmite.net/Widows...h-Coins.htmlThe coin below I like better, classic prutah, and because a few scholars agonized about what exact coin the widow put in the box does not automatically mean that was the coin. There is an open debate and because the lepton from 100 years before Jesus was quite common everyone figured it was that coin. But if she did drop true leptons, and as poor as she was, the ones worth about $2 each in my opinion have the better chance of being something she dropped in. For just under $100 you can get a worn down tribute penny, so silver denarius of Tiberius and that could have been the one held by Jesus. That coin below when I list at $1 no reserve, will sell about $26.50. On a good day I get $40 and otherwise I might get $17. I'll let you know in 5 days what it sold for actually now that I took a photo might as well use it. But you should just consider buying from the folks above. Those coins are quite real.   
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Thank you Louisvillekyshop. I'll check out that site today. You're coin is beautiful. That's the same look and level of detail I've been looking for in leptons. Thanks for the extra information on other coins too. I'll probably want to add those to our collection down the road. :)
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Well if you are curious what these sell for in a real auction starting at $1 you can search ebay for "Beautiful! Alexander Jannaeus Prutah High End Widows Mite's Big Brother! Jesus" Went to $16 in one day so apparently other people like it. But to get that level in a lepton might not be possible as a lepton is a crudely cut thing of a very poor people always under attack. It's not like we Jews even when we were free ever had the resources to make nice coins like Rome. So our Prutah's were kind of nice but nothing special and our leptons were really bad the day they were made. Even if you go forward in history to Herod when he was at this height he had countless varieties of coins and all were pretty much made horribly. A book I love which is quickly becoming the bible of Herod coins is below. As a chemistry professor I can access it online with my library account. Countless varieties and all horrible. https://www.amazon.com/Coins-Herod-...p/9004208011
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Been wanting one of these for my collection also.
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