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How Far Off Is ICG Grading?

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 Posted 12/16/2016  10:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coin197 to your friends list
Just so you know, ICG stands for I Can't Grade.
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 Posted 12/16/2016  11:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add LibertyEagle20 to your friends list
I've heard that too lol! From what I've read, NGC does not attribute the s/s variety on this dime so I thought this would be a good way to ensure it was a RPM. Maybe it's just not a popular variety? I personally like the 64 better than the 66 because it's blast white. I don't like the toning on the 66 and odds are it isn't a 66 anyway. It's also about 50% more in price. Also does anyone know what the Muir collection is? As mentioned that was also mentioned on the slab of the 66.
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 Posted 12/17/2016  09:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add edweather to your friends list
Coneca has two RPMs listed and I found a couple 1949 S/S MS66 dimes in the Heritage archives that sold around 15 years ago. One for $31, and one for $41.

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 Posted 12/17/2016  10:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add LibertyEagle20 to your friends list
Thanks edweather. I wonder if it's really that rare or if there are a bunch sitting in PCGS/NGC slabs that weren't attributed? Roosevelts just aren't very popular it seems even though this is the key date coin for the series. Either way, I went with the blast white 64 one for $20. If anyone's interested I can post again when I get it.
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 Posted 12/17/2016  11:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dom to your friends list
They are no far off than the other three. It depends on what you are looking for.
Over the past five years at least to me, they have technically been the most consistent.
I have dropped my PCGS and NGC memberships because I have found that
NGC has waffled, PCGS has been a bit more lenient. I use my local coin guy to send them in.
I have taken advantage of this however. I guess I have been fortunate. I would say over the past several years of attending shows
i have been able to cherrypick some nice ICG and ANACS Coins for that matter coins at lower price point, which I knew would grade higher PCGS or NGC.
And low and behold a grade or two higher. I think over the past two years ANACS has become the most conservative. I use them
Fir my morgans and Indian Head cents. Frankly though with moderns like your Rosie's I dont think there is a huge difference, since it is not really an expensive coin, as with many moderns. I prefer my classics. I prefer the grading if icg and anacs, but I am not stupid either,, PCGS and NGC carry s bigger price tag .
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 Posted 12/18/2016  12:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add afewmorecents to your friends list
All jokes aside about any of the four major grading services accepted by ebay. Whenever I read a forum member joking abut a TPGS grade, I wonder at their experience. Professional numismatists and "those who know" don't usually make ignorant comments like that.

That said, I find ANACS and ICG coins to be the equal of NGC and PCGS as far as the quality of coins in the slab. I have attended a few ANA grading seminars, plus many coin shows and club meetings and there is plenty of "junk" in each service's slabs.

IMO, both coins the OP has posted have blazing luster + eye-appeal. I'd be happy with either as I have learned how to grade so I can buy the coin not the label. The price seems OK too.

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 Posted 12/20/2016  04:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chute72 to your friends list

Quote:
Just so you know, ICG stands for I Can't Grade.

Without more examples, the discussion is primarily conjecture.
Let's have some fun.
What grade would you give it?
What grade do you think ICG give it?

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 Posted 12/20/2016  11:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kanga to your friends list

Quote:
What grade would you give it?

Certainly -64 and -65 would not be unreasonable.

ICG generally got close to the grades of NGC and PCGS.
They weren't "bad" but it was suggested you buy "sight seen".
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 Posted 12/20/2016  5:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add LibertyEagle20 to your friends list
Chute72 - My guess is it should be a 64 but ICG gave it a 66?
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 Posted 12/20/2016  6:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Agree 64 good shot 65.
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 Posted 12/20/2016  9:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chute72 to your friends list
Thanks for the participation. Hoping to get a few more opinions.
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 Posted 12/23/2016  06:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chute72 to your friends list
I would say the participants did rather well.
Thanks for playing along.

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 Posted 01/03/2017  6:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Fayette1800 to your friends list
I also thought 64 with a shot at 65.
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 Posted 01/04/2017  1:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add billjones to your friends list
My grade was MS-64. It looks close to MS-65, but there appears to be some dullness on the reverse. Subdued luster tends to lower the grade. It's also possible to find 1904-O dollars with a fully struck reverse. This one is better than average, but not full.
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 Posted 01/05/2017  03:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dd27 to your friends list
Until someone conducts an independent reliability study, utilizing solid research methodology and appropriate statistical analysis, among other features, it's difficult to know the extent to which the major TPGs provide consistently accurate grades.
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