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Difficult Grading, Bad Photos: Very Original 1880 Morgan Dollar? Dark Tone?

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 Posted 02/04/2017  01:39 am  Show Profile   Check spru's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add spru to your friends list
I'm a fan of natural toning and say for $5 over spot, it's worth the gamble.
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 Posted 02/04/2017  02:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
If these are seller's pictures, they are too poor to make a decision to buy.
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 Posted 02/04/2017  10:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Imthealphaomega to your friends list
For considering what you paid Adam, id leave it be. Post better pics when you get it. The obverse may need a light dip, but the reverse isn't that badly toned.
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 Posted 02/04/2017  11:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add edweather to your friends list
Other than being wiped at some point, it looks ok to me.
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 Posted 02/04/2017  11:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list
Agree with the wipe, rather than a dip. Looks genuine, but pictures are so blurry/dark on some key areas of the design elements that I wouldn't hazard a grade.

For $5 over, I can't imagine hesitating to grab this. For absolute CERTAIN do NOT dip or rub or clean this in any way. It's a unique tone and is actually one of the strong points of this example.
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 Posted 02/04/2017  1:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list
prior dipping and not properly rinsed and improperly stored over many years. AU details
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 Posted 02/04/2017  4:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Agree AU from what I can make out.
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 Posted 02/04/2017  9:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Joseph7420 to your friends list
I would think AU-55 from those pictures (and most likely Details).
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 Posted 02/06/2017  9:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list
Good news is, the toning is actually beautiful. Bad news is, I can't photograph it, but I'll attempt it here in a minute.
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 Posted 02/06/2017  11:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list
My in hand grade is AU 53 details, and once, many years ago, this coin was wiped with a cleaning cloth and left to sit.

These photos are not very good but I am trying my best.

Look at it straight on - directly ahead, and you get this...

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Now tilt it into the light, and it's a whole different coin. Gold is everywhere, a fiery copper red runs through the hair, greens and blues are on the edges. Flip it over and the reverse has electric blues and greens around the rim, with sharp reddish purples towards the bottom and center.

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Note that there are not actually hairlines, just fingerprint marks and the evidence of where a cloth rubbed it at one point, leaving streaks that toned.

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This one matches the toning in hand most closely, below.

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 Posted 02/06/2017  11:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MikeF to your friends list
Very, very Nice! I vote to leave it alone.
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 Posted 02/06/2017  11:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismatic student to your friends list
The orange makes it look like there are hot coals under Liberty's hair. Still wondering how you were able to see this potential based on the original pics. Congrats!
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 Posted 02/06/2017  11:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list
It's being left alone, of course. I'm putting it into my Dansco with my other raw Morgans, as-is. Seller shipped it completely raw, wrapped in a paper towel held together with clear packing tape.

I wasn't able to see the "potential", not per se, but 20-odd years of playing with Morgan dollars has taught me a thing or two about lighting and colors.
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 Posted 02/07/2017  07:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add smoke1439 to your friends list
Very astute Adam!
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