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Coin 3 I've finally got verification from another hammered collector on this and he seems to think it's Class 10D, I am inclined to agree. Initially I said 10F but there's not much between them, differences as follows;
10D = As your coin
10E = As 10D but slightly fatter face, shorter neck
10F = As 10E but fatter cross on crown.
The crown looked a bit dumpy and the face looked a bit on the broader side, but then again that could all be wear. The other collector has more experience than I do and he says 10D, so I'm happy to go along with that. So Coin 3 was struck in the 1302-1310 period.
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03/05/2006 06:18 am
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Originally posted by KLD
I have tried a better picture of coin 2 with no luck, will keep trying.
Any thoughts on coin 1 ?
I'll have another go at coin 2 later. Coin 1, coins can only be identified from the obverse, so since there's only a reverse shot of that I can't do anything about that as yet. Coin 2 shouldn't prove too difficult (he says).  |
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Ah sorted it!
Right Coin 3 as 10D (which it is), narrower face, longer neck.
Coin 2 is of the 10D-F range, however, as you'll note the face is squarer than on coin 3, which means it's the 10E-F range. The crown is different to that of coin 3, (if the crown had been the same then it would be a 10E coin), but as the crown is different it's therefore a 10F coin!
I did consider it being Class 11C (which is the ONLY Edward II class to say EDWAR, rather than EDWARR) however, there are some major differences there, notably the A in EDWA is totally different on the 11C than it is on yours as looks more like an upside down 'Y' than the 'T' yours has.
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Coin 2 = 10F
Coin 3 = 10D
Coin 1 I need the obverse picture.
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03/05/2006 06:41 am
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Aetheling thankyou very much for your time and effort. If I can repay the favour please let me know. Coin #1 Picture to come http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c...dwardrev.jpgCoin 2 and 3? I am a bit confused. Am I correct in saying 10F and 10D are both from the period 1302 to 1310? But Edward the first died in 1307. So would my coins be Edward the 1st? and Edward the 2 coins did not start minting untill 1310 (3 year after the start of his reign?) Edited by KLD
03/05/2006 6:32 pm
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Originally posted by KLD
Aetheling thankyou very much for your time and effort. If I can repay the favour please let me know.
Coin #1 Picture to come
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c...dwardrev.jpg
Coin 2 and 3?
I am a bit confused. Am I correct in saying 10F and 10D are both from the period 1302 to 1310?
But Edward the first died in 1307.
So would my coins be Edward the 1st? and Edward the 2 coins did not start minting untill 1310 (3 year after the start of his reign?)
Yes, don't you just love the ambiguous nature of it all? Edward I died in 1307, but issues of Class 10 (regardless of it's subclass letter [i.e A through to F] ran from 1302-1310, so your 10F coin might have been issued before your 10D coin was!) Class 10 though was brought in during Edward I's reign and for the most part they were Edward I issues except for the 1307-10 span. However, that back end part of the issue is considered Edward I posthumous. I don't think it's a case of when the coins were issued so much but more when the dies were manufactured and when they were handed out. That information will no doubt be in some pipe rolls somewhere (if they still survive), but generally they kept pretty strict accounts of who made the dies, were they went, how many they were and who used them. The old saying puts it best "waste not, want not", if your Edward I dies were still useable then they got used, you couldn't throw away a perfectly good set of dies just because the king had snuffed it, waste of money and as a moneyer you needed to make a profit to live. The longer the dies last the better. Coin 1 appears to be an early Edward I issue. EDWA or EDWR. |
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Ok now I am a bit confused (just when I thought I was learning something....lol)
So coin two and three are they Edward the 1st or Edward the 2nd. If and only if I have understood what you have said they wourld both be Edward the first?
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Bradley: Just in case you're still wondering about your 1912 penny: welcome to the wonderful world of the disappearing, reappearing scenery! The full story is:
Pennies to 1860: just Britannia: no sea background at all.
Pennies 1860-1894: Britannia now as the sea, a lighthouse and a sailing ship in background.
Pennies 1894-1936: The lighthouse and ship disappear again. Just the sea remains.
Pennies 1937-1967: The lighthouse returns, but the ship remains absent.
There are two varieties of 1912 penny. The one with a "H" mintmark left of the date is slightly scarcer than the one without.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Originally posted by KLD
Ok now I am a bit confused (just when I thought I was learning something....lol)
So coin two and three are they Edward the 1st or Edward the 2nd. If and only if I have understood what you have said they wourld both be Edward the first?
They're Edward I designs, whether they were minted in Edward I's reign or Edward II's, well there is no way you'll ever know. You can call them Edward I/II coins if you like, dealers just call them Ed I because the design dates from that reign. They might both have been struck in 1309 making them from Edward II's reign, similarly they might both have been struck in 1303. So you're pretty free to call them what you like there's no right or wrong, I was merely stating the standard practice of grouping everything under the nice blanket term of Edward I. Edited by Ętheling
03/06/2006 06:10 am
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Heeeeee Hahhhhh, I understand again.
Thankyou Aetheling, that made perfect sense to me. I thought I lost it there for a minute.....lol.
I have a fourth unidentifed Edward Penny. If ok with you I want to study your notes and the coin for a while and them post photos and my thoughts, and then get your opinion.
A million thankyous for your help. Not only was it interetsing I learnt something aswell.
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Originally posted by KLD
Heeeeee Hahhhhh, I understand again.
Thankyou Aetheling, that made perfect sense to me. I thought I lost it there for a minute.....lol.
I have a fourth unidentifed Edward Penny. If ok with you I want to study your notes and the coin for a while and them post photos and my thoughts, and then get your opinion.
A million thankyous for your help. Not only was it interetsing I learnt something aswell.
Yeah I can get very confusing, don't worry if you get a little lost i'll try my best to re-explain it. Although as you can appreciate when you've got all these numbers and letters flying around, three kings with the same name and overlaps in what's minted where, it can get very hectic! It's quite technical you know! Bring the fourth coin on as soon as you can! Coin 1 might take a while to identify though. |
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Coin 1 appears to be an early Edward I issue. EDWA or EDWR.
I happy with knowing this much of coin 1. I will bring on coin 4 asap then, I want to see If I have leant anything by haveing a go at it first. |
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hi all!
sap: thanks for your reply, yay! my coin has got a little H next to the date, so can I buy that detatched cottage I had my eye on now? :), jokin apart how much could you sell one of those for and any ideas if my 1871 isle of jersey qv coin (it has the leopards on it not lions) is worth anything? cheers all!
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Bradley: 1912H penny: Depends on condition, and demand over there in the UK. I'd guess a pound or two, for a typical specimen? Check your local ebay for what they're going for over there. Jersey 1871: I assume it's a penny (thirteenth-shilling): again, a couple of pounds seems reasonable, for typical condition. These coins are slightly pricier as the grade increases - they probably have a worldwide novelty value as "odd denomination" coins. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Hi all, I collect fairly modern coins from the world over, not anything rare I just enjoy all the different designs and such. I also collect US Large Cents, Barber dimes, Walking Liberty Halfs, and other odds and ends. I want to start working on a specific British set. The big question is what set, where to start, there are so many different subjects. What are some popular collections to build in British coinage? Preferably silver?
A good place to start IMHO is the Victoria Farthings from 1839-- They are fun and you can still compelte a set- Whitman also has the album for them-or did have. A good place to concentrate is the Victoria Major type set- however, this one can get a bit pricy- but if you want really nice Florins, Crowns etc; and as someone here said, there is great history attached to these. Victoria is one of my favorite ladies. It took me about 4 years to complete the Victoria Major type set- due to the price of the Gothic Crown (I finally found one grade AU-Unc from a guy in Tasmania- They are worth three to four times now against what I paid for mine- This Major type set is a beautiful set to work on. VIctoria in 1833 looks like she invented the pony tail hair do. (Ha) I am going to include a link here-> http://www.coincentre.co.uk/ I have dealt with this company for a number of years- As you observed- prices are in pounds- so have your conversion chart handy. The owner (William) is I think impecable in his dealings. IF you specify surface mail, your wait will be longer- but reduces your cost. I have collected UK for a number of years- Feel free to email me for any further questions- dew001@juno.com I have a lot of duplicates in the Shillings, half crowns and brass three pence (thistle) in War years available if you do not wish to wait and many of mine are at earlier (lessor prices) - habiru001 call me Dewey
Thanks Tony
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03/25/2006 2:21 pm
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Made with 2 FULL ounces of copper! It is so huge the folks of GB made it perfectly clear they wanted NO MORE so it is a one year issue.
This coin is long gone, but I seem to remember it feeling like a hockey puck when I took the pictures.
 HI Bobby, I still have mine- and due to the unique characteristics of it- think I will pass it to my heirs along with other stuff- Copper was in great abundance in the Wales especially so they could afford to use a lot of it. I think That began to change during the war of 1812- Anyway, I love this coin- and try to imagine myself carrying a few of these- And by the way, you could buy a really good meal with 3-to 6 of these. Habiru001
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