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11 Weeks Of Coins Of The Crusader States

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 Posted 06/12/2017  10:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list
Ok I've done a little more digging on your coin. As it turns out, SB 2057 was minted in Nicaea. The section attributable to John III from Thessalonica starts with #2058 and goes up through #2069. I have the 1974 edition, so maybe Sear did some re-numbering in subsequent editions?

The coin in CCS that weighs about 2.2 g (variety #27) does seem to be the best match for the one detail that I can see on your coin. On the second photo, there appears to be a somewhat stick-figure man with some sort of multi-pellet object near his/her right hand. That might be the beaded divitision (long robe with close fitting sleeves) worn by the emperor on the rev of CCS 27. Or maybe not--I'm just spit-balling here.
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 Posted 06/13/2017  08:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list
I did intend to say SB 2057 - straight from Wildwinds (don't have any Sear). I agree, it's probably from a newer edition.
That said, the Wildwinds example is 0.82 grams, so it's probably not what I have!

Sadly I wasn't able to find an example of CCS 27, or even the equivalent SB number, so I have no idea if it's actually similar.
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 Posted 06/18/2017  2:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list
Week #10 brings us to the Crusader coins of Frankish Greece (including Achea, Carytaena, Damala, Athens, Salona, Negroponte/Euboea, Epirus, Neopatras, Naxos, and Tenos & Mykonos). This is admittedly a bit of a hodgepodge of Greek locations; however, I do note that for several of these regions, there are only one or two known coins produced. In contradistinction, the Principality of Achaea and Duchy of Athens were much more proficient.

Malloy describes in some detail the question of when exactly coins were minted by crusaders in Frankish Greece. On the one hand, Geoffroy I de Villehardouin seems to have been given the right to mint while other accounts indicate that the first right to mint was given to William of Achaea in 1249 AD. In either case, coins were likely struck first in the Frankish city of Glarentza at some point after 1255 AD. In the manuscript Practica Della Mercatura by Pegolotti (ca. 1280 AD), an interesting description of the Glarentzan mint was given. The basic unit of money was the gold Hyperpyron. This was subdivided into 20 Sterlini (a theoretical denomination that was not actually minted). Then, four Torneselli Piccioli made up one Sterlino. Pegolotti reported that Torneselli were being struck in Glarentza.

Here is a listing of coins, organized by mint and ruler by Malloy (quite a bit of information here):

Principality of Achaea
William of Villehardouin (1245-1278 AD)
Charles I of Anjou (1278-1285 AD)
Charles II of Anjou (1285-1289 AD)
Florent of Hainaut (1289-1297 AD)
Isabelle of Villehardouin (1297-1301 AD)
Philip of Savoy (1301-1306 AD)
Philip of Taranto (1306-1313 AD)
Louis of Burgundy (1313-1316 AD)
Ferdinand of Majorca (Pretender, 1315-1316 AD)
Maud of Hainaut (1316-1318 AD)
John of Gravina (1318-1333 AD)
Robert of Taranto (1333-1364 AD)

Barony of Carytaena
Helena Angelica Comnena (ca. 1291-1300 AD)

Lordship of Damala
Anonymous (ca. 1325 AD)

Duchy of Athens
Guy I de la Roche (1225-1263 AD) (?)
William de la Roche (1280-1287 AD)
Guy II (1287-1294 AD during his minority or 1294-1308 AD during his majority)
Gautier de Brienne (1308-1311 AD)
Anonymous Catalan Dukes (1311-1388 AD) (?)
Anonymous Florentine Dukes (1388-1394 AD) (?)

County of Salona
Thomas III de Stomoncourt (1294-1311 AD)

Triarchy of Negroponte (Euboea)
William of Villehardouin (1255-1259 AD)

Despotate of Epirus
Philip of Taranto (1294-1313 AD)
John II Orsini (1323-1335 AD)

Duchy of Neopatras (Great Wallachia in Thessaly)
John II Angelus Comnenus (1303-1318 AD)

Duchy of Naxos
Nicolo I Sanudo (1323-1341 AD)
Giovanni I Sanudo (1341-1362 AD)

Lordship of Tenos and Mykonos
Giorgi I Ghisi (1303-1311 AD)

Catalan Duchy of Athens(?)
Anonymous

Chios
"Palaeologus" and Benedict I Zaccaria (1304-1314 AD)
Martin and Benedict II Zaccaria (1314-1319 AD)
Martin Zaccaria (1319-1329 AD)
Maona Society (1347-ca.1385 AD)

Corfu
Philip of Taranto (1304-1314 AD)


I have two examples of Frankish Greek Crusader coins--I'll post them next. Especially if you are willing to pick up coins from Achaea or Athens, these coins are readily available and at pretty reasonable prices.

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 Posted 06/18/2017  2:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list
This Tournois Denier is from the Principality of Achaea under William of Villehardouin (1245 to 1278 AD). It is attributed as CCS 9a and Roberts 5302. The obv legend is G PRINCEPS while the rev legend is CLARENTIA.


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The second coin, a Denier, is from the Duchy of Athens. It was minted under the authority of William de la Roche, perhaps including Guy II's minority and dates to between 1280 and 1294 AD). It is attributed as CCS 86. The obv inscription is + G DVC ATENES and the rev inscription is ThEBE CIVIS.




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Next week will be the final week that I have planned for this thread, when we will look at coins from the Knights of Rhodes.
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 Posted 06/18/2017  3:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coconutjoe to your friends list
Very informative and interesting thread Spence.

European history was one of my favorite subjects and I had to refresh my memory on some of the places & terms. Since I don't have any coins in this period, I enjoy looking at your postings and history behind them.

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 Posted 06/18/2017  4:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kamnaskires to your friends list
Enjoyed today's update, Dave. Thanks for all the work you are putting into this.
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Thanks CJ and Bob! Clearly, I don't have the depth of knowledge (as I do, for example, on the early dated coins of Europe), but it has been fun learning as I go!
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 Posted 06/24/2017  01:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list
Here we are at the final week of the Coins of the Crusader States thread. I'm hopeful that as folks discover the thread or add to their collection, this will be a good resource. Please feel free to add your own coins here, with as much attribution information as you have. I'll try to monitor it and help with attributions as I can.

The section in CCS devoted to the coins of the Knights of Rhodes was added by Allen Berman. According to him, this addendum is in response to the ubiquitous request to "include Rhodes". In this section, Allen provides some history:


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The Order of the Knights Hospitallers of St. John of Jerusalem was an outgrowth of the Hospital itself, founded to help pilgrims in the Holy Land. In the early 1100s the order became militarized. In the 1290s they were forced to flee when the Kingdom of Jerusalem collapsed. The order managed to conquer the island of Rhodes in 1310 and made it their home. In 1523 they were forced off the island by the Ottoman Turks. Emperor Charles V gave them Malta as a feudal fief in 1530 in exchange for one hawk or falcon per year. The retained it until 1798. Thus today they are popularly called the Knights of Malta.


Berman notes that the inscriptions on these coins tend to be quite variable, perhaps even more than other regions of Medieval Europe. Several rulers issued coins, including:

Fulk of Fillaret (1307-1319 AD)
Helion of Villeneuve (1319-1346 AD)
Anonymous (1319-1360 AD)
Dieudonne of Gozo (1346-1353 AD)
Peter of Corneillian (1354-1355 AD)
Roger of Pins (1355-1365 AD)
Anonymous (ca. 1365-1476 AD)
Raymond Berenger (1365-1374 AD)
Robert of Juilly (1374-1376 AD)
Juan Fernandez of Heredia (1376-1396 AD)
Philibert of Naillac (1396-1421 AD)
Anonymous (1400s)
Antonio Fluviano (1421-1437 AD)
John of Lastic (1437-1454 AD)
Jacques de Milly (1454-1461 AD)
Peter-Raymond Zacosta (1461-1467 AD)
John Baptist Orsini (1467-1476 AD)
Peter of Abusson (1476-1503 AD)
Emeric of Amboise (1503-1512 AD)
Guy of Blanchefort (1512-1513 AD)
Fabricus of Carretto (1513-1521 AD)
Philip Villiers de l'Isle Adam (1521-1534 AD)

There are a total of 65 different varieties in this section of CCS. Most of the coins of the Knights of Rhodes are fairly uncommon and pricy when you do find them. I do see several for sale on vcoins now in the range of $300-$700. Sadly, I haven't pulled the trigger on any of these yet so have nothing from my collection to post.

At the risk of being a little salesy, if you are interested in the Knights of Rhodes or any other series of Crusader coins, I would reach out to Allen Berman via his website. So far, I have only purchased numismatic literature from him, but I have been treated very fairly by him. Also, if you think that you have found a new variety of Crusader coinage, I would encourage you to contact him (of course, after posting it here on CCF).
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 Posted 06/24/2017  2:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kamnaskires to your friends list
Great work, Dave. I've been enjoying the ride.

For those who may want to peruse some Knights of Rhodes coins, they get about 12 pages of coverage, starting on page 200, in the "Coins of the Crusaders":
http://www.numismatas.com/Forum/Pdf...rusaders.pdf

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Wow Bob that is a great reference! Thanks for pointing us to it. I really like how prices realized are included.
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...that is a great reference! Thanks for pointing us to it.


Sure, Dave. I had mentioned it on page one of this thread too, as well as in a post last year.

CCS is available online for free too...Ron had posted the link in a another thread last year: https://vk.com/doc145099063_3804910...e38d0ba38ce9

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I had mentioned it on page one of this thread too, as well as in a post last year.


How many times do you have to tell your students something before it finally sinks in?
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Sorry to resurrect this thread, but I recently acquired this Billon Denier from the Kingdom of Jerusalem. It was minted for Baldwin III somewhere between 1143 and 1163 AD. The attribution is CCS #10.

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I hope others will free to update this thread with their new acquisitions too!
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This next coin, also from the Kingdom of Jerusalem, provides a nice contrast to the first one that I just posted. Both were minted in the same place at roughly the same time (1143-1163 AD). Whereas the circles of pellets are large and the overall fabric is a bit rough on that first coin, the opposite is true with this one (smaller pellets and smoother design elements). The attribution for this coin is CCS #18.


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 Posted 08/05/2017  6:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kamnaskires to your friends list
Great additions, Dave. Good to see the thread updated.
And, yes, an interesting contrast between these two Baldwin III's. Thanks for sharing.
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