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How Many Are There Really?

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 Posted 04/12/2008  10:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jays-Dad to your friends list
That was my list. I have since updated it to include a lot of ancient places as well. Every time I get a new catalog, the list gets longer. I also take advantage of places like Tradewinds, combined with Wikipedia to learn about new places.

I'll post a new link in the foreign coins forum with the list.
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 Posted 04/12/2008  10:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Lucky_13 to your friends list
I would like to see this list as well.

1000 is quite the tall order, Good Luck OMR


Im trying something like OFEC (one from each country) too.
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 Posted 04/12/2008  10:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OneMoreRoll to your friends list
Thanks.
all I'm really trying to do is collect coins from countries since 1900 to present. Nothing really old. Do you know if there is a list like that somewhere?
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 Posted 04/12/2008  10:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OneMoreRoll to your friends list
Lucky, you posted only 4 seconds before me. I see where the name comes in, haha.
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 Posted 04/12/2008  10:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Lucky_13 to your friends list
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 Posted 04/12/2008  10:38 pm  Show Profile   Check GO's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GO to your friends list
get a 1901-present Krause

get a coin from every country listed in it. It's a good start
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 Posted 04/12/2008  10:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OneMoreRoll to your friends list
Okay, but do you know roughly how many there might be? As in countries, I counted 194 on the cia site
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 Posted 04/13/2008  12:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list
I'll help you with one country which I'm sure you don't have. Care to take a guess where this coin is from? I have an extra that I'll be willing to trade for something else
(sorry for the huge pic--the only one I had handy)

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04/13/2008 12:15 am
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 Posted 04/13/2008  12:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add j-easy to your friends list
speaking of odd ball "nations" that have their own coins, I just got these in the mail yesterday

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 Posted 04/13/2008  01:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list
Collecting "one from every country" isn't easy, for several reasons:

1. As has been stated, "country" is a very vague term, and it can be hard to exactly pin down your "target list". If "countries currently in existence" is your goal, then the CIA factbook, Britannica Book of the Year and similar volumes are sufficient. Note that these lists may not include colonies and dependent states, like Falkland Islands, Gibraltar, French Polynesia, Cocos-Keeling Islands, etc etc.

If you want "all countries that existed between 1901 and today", then the simplest way of obtaining a list is to do what GO suggested: get yourself a Krause catalogue, and work off the "country index".

2. Some countries don't make circulation coins. They're either using the coinage of another country, using coins of a monetary union (like the Euro), or not using coins at all, only paper money.

Down the bottom of my wantlist, I have a list of currently existing countries I don't have coins from; these countries have only ever issued expensive, made-for-collectors coins, so I don't really consider them as "essential" for my OFEC set.

3. Not every "real country" that has existed has issued coins. Some countries and territories simply haven't bothered (most of the American territories, like Guam, the Northern Marianas, US Virgin Islands, etc, have not). Some countries simply didn't exist for long enough to issue coins (Trieste Free State comes to mind), while other "countries" (such as Mayotte, Neutral Moresnet and the Palestinian Territories) have had disputed or ambiguous status, and no-one has issued coins for them.

4. Not everywhere that has issued coins was a "real country". Chinese provinces, Mexican civil war states, Spanish civil war districts, Argentinian provinces - these have all issued their own coins since 1901 and they're listed in the Krause index, but they're not considered independent countries. You have to decide whether they're essential for your OFEC list or not.

Finally, there are places like Hutt River Province that have unilaterally seceded from somewhere, but lack any sort of formal diplomatic recognition. "Coins" from such "countries" might look like real coins, but you won't find them in the regular coin catalogues.

(Slightly edited for factual accuracy)
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 Posted 04/13/2008  03:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OneMoreRoll to your friends list
KurtS, umm, my best guess is ohh I dont know, Fiji?
But yeah, I would be interested in a trade. Please email me.
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 Posted 04/13/2008  03:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OneMoreRoll to your friends list
j-easy, what counrty are those 'coins' from? Are they glass?
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 Posted 04/13/2008  04:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list
quote:
Care to take a guess where this coin is from?

Can't work it out? It's from a quite isolated country. Try doing a forum search for the word "isolated".
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j-easy, what country are those 'coins' from? Are they glass?

According to the ebay guy that's selling them, "Crescent Island" is in French Polynesia and inhabited by some 40 people with a fascinating history. According to the Wikipedia article about this island, the seller's story is myth, the coins are fantasies and the island is uninhabited.

The auction title describes the coins as "acrylic", a kind of plastic.
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 Posted 04/13/2008  06:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add augsburger to your friends list
I think the example of how hard it can be when you look at modern yugoslavia since 1990.
Serbia has been Serbia with Kosovo and montenegro, Serbia with Kosovo and without montenegro and Serbia without these both. Are these different countries?
Kosovo and montenegro are nations but use the euro. In fact, it all depends on who your govt is as to whether kosovo exists as a nation in the first place. Also, Kosovo was offically in serbia from 1999-2008 but was controlled by the UN, does that count (doesn't matter they used the euro expect for serbs who used the dinar.)
I find it easier just to collect what comes my way.
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 Posted 04/13/2008  06:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add QuickSilver to your friends list
1900 seems to be a popular starting point for OFEC collections, and is what I use for mine.

As others have stated, everyone's list would be different. Even different countries recognise some countries and not others. The thing to do is to put together your definition of what qualifies as a country and apply it to Krause, Wikipedia and the CIA list. (Note that the CIA notebook only includes current countries, and only those that the USA officially recognises!)

Personally I have identified 475 different past and present coin issueing entities including unions since 1900. That doesn't include the 111 that haven't issued coins for various reasons.

I don't include regions of countries, as Sap mentioned, such as the individual princely states of India, or regions of China, Mexico, Argentina, Germany (apart from the 4 separate kingdoms) etc. Or special coinage for leper colonies and so on. I only concentrate on coinage issued by the whole country or dependency. It depends on your feeling on this?

For the 475 entities I have then identified 609 different coinage changes/reforms. I include changes in coinage such as changing from francs to euros or decimalisation. As well as if a country reforms its coinage due to inflation, a change in their political designation or achieves independence and so on.

It's a daunting, challenging but wonderfully rewarding task. And can take years to achieve. Even with unlimited funds, it's unlikely all these coins would become available to buy before August! You may want to make it your 28th birthday instead!

You may also want to start with the 245 current countries in the world (by my definition), of which 227 have issued coins. This list of 245 is made up of 192 UN members, The Vatican, 43 independent territories/regions etc of other countries and 9 partially recognised countries (i.e. recognised by many countries but not all)

If you would like a copy of my lists (on excel) as a starting point then let me know your email address and I will be happy to send it to you.

How many do you have so far? Of my complete list of 609 I now only need 2, but they are pretty hard to come by! One is a certain period of Bhutan (You should look up their coins they are very interesting!)

The other is for Italian Somaliland for 1925. These come up at auction once in a while and generally sell for about $1500 each!

Good Luck!
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