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Is This 1877 Indian Head Cent Genuine?

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 Posted 04/26/2017  4:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alex12780 to your friends list
I believe it is counterfeit. Here are some websites that will help others determine.

http://www.thecoinlook.com/1877indian.htm

https://www.PCGS.com/News/Altering-...-Indian-Head
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 Posted 04/26/2017  4:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Definite counterfeit. Correct, the proof of this date only comes with a bold N.
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 Posted 04/26/2017  6:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mike1487 to your friends list
Counterfeit. The date is too high. Looks like a real IHC with a date that has a Bold N and they removed the date and added the 1877. You can see a bunch of filing marks.
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 Posted 04/26/2017  6:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jyoung5050 to your friends list
Any chance it is an impaired proof?

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 Posted 04/26/2017  6:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinlover1899 to your friends list
I think you may have something there.
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 Posted 04/26/2017  9:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coconutjoe to your friends list
I also agree that this looks counterfeit. First of all, patina looks odd (if not due to photos), and other items mentioned above sure makes you wonder.

But the seller seems reputable.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1877-Indian...AOSwkShY~6D-
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 Posted 04/26/2017  9:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RoyCoinBoy to your friends list
If it's an impaired proof it's very impaired.
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 Posted 04/26/2017  9:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CGCoins to your friends list
This one HAS to be certified. WAY too many fakes floating around of this coin to buy one with zero documentation.

The Date position and strong N are concerning.
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 Posted 04/26/2017  10:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list
The obverse appears to have casting flaws, such as around the O in OF on the obverse, and the raised area between N and T in CENT on the reverse; it has the mushy, weak look of most fakes. I would say with a decent degree of certainty that this is a cast counterfeit.

GSC has sold forgeries/counterfeit coins in the past (presumably not on purpose, given their volume) but the two examples I know of, in both cases, the buyers were fully refunded without much of a hassle other than a phone call.
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 Posted 04/26/2017  10:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add indian_hoarder to your friends list
Absolute forgery. Already reported in the counterfeit forum.

http://goccf.com/t/286741

And in regards to GSC not selling fakes intentionally, that is false. They absolutely knowingly sell them, as they have repeatedly reposted counterfeits that have been taken down. And considering they have an ebay handler who informs them of their problematic listings. they are reposted with willful intent.
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 Posted 04/27/2017  09:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Imthealphaomega to your friends list
Bobby reported it. It is still on GSC's auction. Hopefully it is removed soon.
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 Posted 04/27/2017  11:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add billjones to your friends list
Counterfeit for sure. In addition the strong bottom on the "N", the relief appears to be too high on a coin that has been worn down to G-VG. I think you are looking at some artificial wear and toning on a counterfeit coin.
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 Posted 04/27/2017  11:45 am  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list
Definitely no good.

On a side note it is amazing how many high dollar uncertified 1877 Indians are on ebay. Check out this raw Uncirculated Red Brown piece already shilled up to $2800 with 5 days+ to go!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1877-1C-Ind...AOSwRUhY-9B8
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 Posted 04/27/2017  4:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Looks 58 to me and genuine. At this point still well under PQ AU money.
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 Posted 04/27/2017  10:02 pm  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list

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......Check out this raw Uncirculated Red Brown piece already shilled up to $2800 with 5 days+ to go!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1877-1C-Ind...AOSwRUhY-9B8


The perfectly uniform color on both surfaces is a dead giveaway that it's a messed with piece. That and the fact that it's purportedly a $3000 coin being sold by "coinsandcards" with no certification of any kind. The underbidder bidder has a feedback score of (2) and 58% of their bids with this seller as well. It smells really really bad.
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