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 Posted 04/18/2008  04:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list
quote:
...Hindenburg appeared on several denominations, but not Hitler...

Hindenburg was dead at the time.

Hitler apparently believed that a leader placing his portrait on the coinage, while he was still alive, was monarchist, and the Nazis weren't particularly fond on the old monarchy. He probably had plans to someday crown himself king, or emperor, or whatever word he might have used, but he wouldn't be worthy of appearing on coinage until he'd done better than the old monarchy had done, and won the war.

And if Hitler didn't want portrait coins, none of his allies were going to get them, either. Vichy France struck some 13 million 5 franc coins featuring the portrait of Hitler's French puppet, Field Marshal Petain (KM# 901). When Hitler found out about the design of these coins, he was reported to be so outraged that he demanded the coins to be immediately withdrawn and destroyed. The French complied, and those coins are now scarce and sought after.
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 Posted 04/18/2008  12:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mr Finger to your friends list
thanks Sap,that answers my question...very informative!
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 Posted 04/18/2008  1:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list
"Hitler apparently believed that a leader placing his portrait on the coinage, while he was still alive, was monarchist, and the Nazis weren't particularly fond on the old monarchy"

Sap, that rings true...I also seem to recall his virulent dislike for King Haakon as well as the British Royal family.

Mr. F -- right, lol...it's only brings trouble to look for logic in the mind of someone who most likely went insane as the the war progressed.
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 Posted 04/20/2008  09:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chrisild to your friends list
quote:
and here is a fine example of what I said

http://www.usmbooks.com/hitler_coin.html

Ouch. Nazi medals may be very popular in the US, but obviously the people who sell such pieces do not necessarily know much about politics or history. :) Quote from that page:

"The German Government of course, was not amused. They have done everything in their power to help people to forget that Hitler once held the job of Helmut Kohl and Gerhard Schröder. The coins were driven from the market shortly after they began to sell and we suspect that few survive."

Maybe that dealer had to write such nonsense in order to promote the sale of his medal. But because people know pretty well what position Hitler had and what his regime did, such crude comparisons won't work. Kohl and Schröder had the office of Bundeskanzler (head of government) of the Federal Republic - Hitler was Führer (head of state) and Reichskanzler of the German (Third) Reich.

Insinuating a continuity here is pretty shabby in my opinion. The reason why such pieces cannot be marketed here is a different one: Medals like that one, produced quite a while after 1945, are considered nazi propaganda. (That does not apply to coins and militaria etc. from the nazi years.) But if US customers find such medals interesting, there is nothing that keeps them from producing, selling, buying, collecting them.

As for why there are no coins depicting Hitler, well, in 1941 there had already been a design competition for 2 and 5 RM coins featuring him. But production was not to begin until the final victory ... Similarly, Mussolini cannot be found on any Italian coin. Franco in Spain only shows up after WW2, in the late 1940s/early 50s. And while there are coins featuring Stalin (from Czechoslovakia, I think), there is none from the USSR.

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 Posted 04/21/2008  8:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mr Finger to your friends list
Christian.....Thanks for the knowledgeable post

You guys are awesome
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 Posted 04/22/2008  9:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NumisMattyUk to your friends list
What's a puss?

According to Dictionary.com's 2nd definition...

1. face: She smacked him in the puss.
2. mouth: Shut your puss before I shut it for you.

Or in other words; mug, countenance, visage...
Edited by NumisMattyUk
04/22/2008 9:40 pm
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 Posted 04/23/2008  12:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mr Finger to your friends list
I never thought about countenance or visage.....But,Mug wouldve been my next choice....
anyway "puss" more accurately describes hitler!..


lastly..It seems there WAS one coin made with hitlers visage,but,since it was a pattern coin,I guess it doesn't count..
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 Posted 04/23/2008  1:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NumisMattyUk to your friends list
Ah... and which brave people made such a coin.. lol
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 Posted 04/24/2008  7:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mr Finger to your friends list
numismatty-I found this on another coin forum,It looks like it was made in germany



Image: Hitler K659.jpg
75.89 KB


http://forums.collectors.com/messag...eadid=442330
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 Posted 04/25/2008  01:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spedward to your friends list
lol this happens a fair bit: everyone is wondering about why something happened/didn't happen, or wondering about coins, and sap comes along a gives a well detailed answer! This is another example..
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 Posted 04/25/2008  01:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list
Mr. Finger--I have some info on that pattern coin:

As quoted by Mr. Kurt Jaeger of Stuttgart, the eminent German numistmatist:

"...Quite different however, is the case of a Hitler pattern 5 Reichsmark of 1942, Mintmark A, copper, silver-plated, which was struck in normal size and with the customery edge engraving of the German 5 Reichsmark pieces in Berlin after a design by the medalist Goetz.

One piece was presented to Hitler in his headquarters Wolfschanze by the Director of the Monetary System in 1942, Herr v.P. As the widow of Herr v. P. vouches, Hitler said about the presentation that his head should appear on the German coins after the final victory. This pattern is still in existence today in the above mentioned hands.

A total of 4 pieces were struck...."
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 Posted 04/25/2008  04:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chrisild to your friends list
This medalist was apparently quite self-confident. The Hitler coin design competition had been a year earlier, and was won by somebody named Müller-Erfurt. Source: the very same Kurt Jaeger.

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 Posted 04/26/2008  4:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Zaggy to your friends list
Hmmm, OK... I posted without noticing this second page of replies... The two above posts cover what I was saying pretty well...
Edited by Zaggy
04/26/2008 4:07 pm
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 Posted 04/26/2008  8:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mr Finger to your friends list
THANKS AGAIN guys.....Ive think Ive learned quite a bit from this thread

you guys are great
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 Posted 04/28/2008  3:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NumisMattyUk to your friends list
...and I found this one a couple of minutes ago..

http://cgi.ebay.com/1945-Germany-Ad...de_W0QQitemZ a href= https://www.coincommunity.com/go/link.asp?target=https://www.ebay.com/itm/-/360044351049 target= _blank rel= nofollow 360044351049 /a QQihZ023QQcategoryZ540QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting

Hitler

Hitler

A rare commemorative in 18 K gold
Edited by NumisMattyUk
04/28/2008 3:20 pm
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