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Those are actually polish lines along the face, pointed nose varierty!  Here's it's brother and cousin  On your full coin shot, can see the original outline of face before it disappeared... Were we in some kind of financial crisis in '91 where we had to use the **** out of the dies to save money?  Edited by Crazyb0
05/29/2017 8:40 pm
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Crazyb0 what do you mean by polished lines along the nose? There is doubling under the nose, chin, and liberty. Also a raised area all around the nose, forehead and all along the hair line to include the grease.
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Before throwing Grease Filled Die out there, I'd like to confirm the reverse struck normal as well as the coins weight. The lines I'm seeing seem to be from the stock being rolled out prior to punching the blanks. aka roller marks. A lessor (weak) strike can show this as well. The rim also suggest an odd strike with movement. Thanks, Doug. |
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The lines I'm seeing seem to be from the stock being rolled out prior to punching the blanks. aka roller marks. Can you have "roller lines" on copper-plated cents? I assumed the lines were plating bubbles.  But, as Halo1st brought up, a reverse pic would be nice (and should be standard practice whether it's in question or not).  In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020
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The reverse seems to have struck up a bit stronger. Showing the same lines running the same direction as they do on the obverse. As for the severe obverse weakness Struck Through Grease fill die seems most likely. Weak strikes have been a debated cause in the past as well. A couple of topics had the experts going head to head concerning weakness in conjunction with full rims and roller marks present. That's where the reverse condition comes into play. Not meaning to add more confusion, but if the full obverse and reverse images are not skewed, the coin seems to be out of round. May have some possible wide collar issue? Thanks, Doug. http://www.error-ref.com/wide-collar/ |
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Thanks Doug, do you see any value w ith the coin since it is double struck and a Greaser? |
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Quote:do you see any value with the coin since it is double struck and a Greaser? First its not double struck, and its not a known doubled die. I'm thinking the machine had movement during the strike. So that make for machine damage. This is common. Second I don't buy or sell. So will not be much help with the value. Check ebay sells. Heavy greasers do seem to be collectable to some. So may net a small premium pending interest at the time. You may score enough to order one or two things from the dollar menu. That said I would hold onto. May be able sell or trade down the road. Do you have a caliper that could measure the diameter. Or if you laid another cent on it, does it seem larger where the fins are present on the two sides? Just curious. Thanks, Doug. Edited by Halo1st
05/30/2017 1:15 pm
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Thanks Doug for the feedback. I will measure and get the weight for you. Another question, I know the pictures are not the clearest but there is pronounced doubling under ther nose and chin where the remaining is relatively clear of doubling other than the liberty. I'm trying to process all this but don't quite understand how machine movement would only double at concise locations rather than all features?
Thanks for your time,
Mitch
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the weight is 2.5 and .75 perfect round
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I'll let an overlay explain how images can be deceiving. Seeing .75 or 3/4" or 19 millimeters sounds like a normal diameter, place a circle around it shows what I see on this end as being out of round.  As for isolated MD, that maybe outside my ability to explain in words. I'll try and locate some examples coops shown in the past I thought was very interesting. Showing the same die pair with several different looking isolated MD on the date. Don't get me wrong, your example looks cool, but I'm thinking the machine / die(s) moved or bounced during the strike. Could be wrong. Thanks, Doug. Edited by Halo1st
05/30/2017 10:45 pm
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That's an interesting overlay, Halo1st.
However, it's not out of round. The pictures were taken at an angle with the top of the coin being slightly farther away than the bottom creating an oval look that bulges east and west.
The dies being mis-aligned on both sides also creates that illusion on this one.
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However, it's not out of round. The pictures were taken at an angle with the top of the coin being slightly farther away than the bottom creating an oval look that bulges east and west. spruett001, I'd agree except top to bottom angle would equal north to south. The out of round follows the mis-alignment. Quote:
The dies being mis-aligned on both sides also creates that illusion on this one. May also suggest a potential wide collar issue with the mis-alignments opposite each other with the current full images displayed. Thanks, Doug. Adding the one with coin in hand say's its not out of round so I'll take that as is. Edited by Halo1st
05/31/2017 12:01 am
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