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The mint mark is NOT in one of the only four genuine positions. In three of the four genuine positions, the mint mark is slanted. This coin's mm is not slanted. In the one genuine position where the mint mark is not slanted, the top of the mint mark is below the bottom of the nines. The top of this mm is even with the bottom of the nines. This can not be a genuine 1909-S VDB.  |
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Bargains are rare. I hope you are under the return cut off so you can send it back.
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No. Bought it in 2016. did not spend much on it so no big loss. Except for a possible resale witch is out now. Once again back to the bags looking for more.  Thanks NSS-52 for the education on this  . |
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Just google "1909-s vdb mint mark positions" to see the four genuine obverse dies (thus, the four genuine mint mark positions).
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Well, that was an interesting trip. At least you only paid the non-VDB price for it.  |
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Yes reselling it could be a problem.
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I did google the 1909 s vdb and saw the pics of all four mint mark locations.
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The true experts have replied ... I am not one of them ... please accept the following as informed speculation. I'm not sure it is even a genuine 1909-S cent ... by the photos provided it could be an 'added' mint mark coin. For sure not going with 1909-S VDB ... that is the king of Lincoln cents and while I wish you had been fortunate with this purchase ... I do not see it. Sharing the following photo as reference ... from my collection: 1909-S VDB PCGS MS65RB/CAC Note the differences .. even in your coins worn state. Hope this helps! Edited by nickelsearcher
07/31/2017 7:23 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
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Agree the OP's example is not genuine.
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May I ask a question: why would someone make a fake coin with the VDB barely visible and an advanced amount of wear on the whole coin? And if the answer is, well, that makes the buyer less wary, OK, but then the second question: why can't the fakers look up the standard MM position just like we do?
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May I ask a question: why would someone make a fake coin with the VDB barely visible and an advanced amount of wear on the whole coin? And if the answer is, well, that makes the buyer less wary, OK, but then the second question: why can't the fakers look up the standard MM position just like we do?
It would depend when it was faked. If it was faked pre-internet, who would know? It's not like the library had a prehistoric version of photoshop to do comparisons like those provided here, and even generic photos wouldn't have been good enough to make a correct assessment. Even with the internet and fancy photo-editing programs, most wouldn't know what to look for, or how to even figure out how to look for it. It could be a 1909 VDB that had been in circulation for 50 years before a MM was added. Even in the '60's this S-VDB was valuable enough to warrant fakes for the unscrupulous. Look at all the fake Trade dollars out there, or high-end Morgans, that have accelerated or artificial wear. So think of how much a bonus it is to find a naturally worn '09 VDB, and just have to add a MM. If it's worth a buck, there are imitations/copies/fakes of it out there. |
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Every time I see "cheap 1909-S VDB" I think "uh oh!" There's a reason why some coins are cheap ... they're not SVDBs!
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It was listed as a 1909 S I did not see the vdb until I had it in hand. Then I looked at the photo in the add and saw the vdb.
You must have missed this. My topic statement was wrong. Edited by carwash
08/12/2017 3:59 pm
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No, I didn't. So he bought it as a cheap 1909-S. Still as a fake SVDB, it's worth zip beyond its educational value.
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