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What Is That Green Ick On Some Of The US Large Cents And Other Copper Coins

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 Posted 10/16/2017  03:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list
Green "ick" can also just be an accumulation of skin oils and dirt.
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 Posted 10/16/2017  10:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list
I've seen some beautiful all green large cents where the green is a hard toning as opposed to verdigris.

Rather than being corrosive, they are similar to those with the dark toning that actually helps protect the surface.

Photos of what you are referring to might be helpful.
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 Posted 10/16/2017  11:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add T-BOP to your friends list
By the way your describing it , sounds more like green corrosion than verdigris . But I'm sure TPG would detail those coins if it were . pics are so beneficial in determining your question .
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 Posted 10/16/2017  8:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add uslccollector to your friends list
Thanks for all of your responses. I can understand a coin that has a green glow to it. That is probably toning of a sort. But what I was referring to are the patches around the devices and sometimes actually on the larger raised areas. From what you've said, these are corrosion locations on the coin. Yes, I have put a few Lincoln Cents in a jar with these problems, along with coins without any visible problems, and a few months later, the unblemished coins were showing signs of the green ick.

For the most part, I see this problem is very common on the Lincoln Cents minted after 1982. They seem to deteriorate at a very rapid rate, including signs of the green ick. For those cents prior to 1982, they also show this green ick, but they don't seem to succumb quite as rapidly.

I do collect Lincoln Cents, and stay away from anything detracting. As with my US Braided Hair Large Cents, I collect only choice specimens of a grade. What I mean by that is there is no unusual discolouration, no major nicks, rims are as clean as possible, etc. Most of all, the coins should catch my attention due to its condition, Great eye appeal.

So, the green ick is something I avoid like the plague. I was pretty sure it was corrosion, but needed to ask.

I look to fill my gaps in the US Braided Hair Large Cents several times a month, but I am running into the green ick even on coins that have been slabbed by PCGS. Apparently they don't think it is something detracting for grading purposes. I guess the green they are seeing might just be oils and dirt. But that still makes me shy away because it takes away from the total eye appeal of the coin. It's pretty frustrating to not see a coin for months that meets my critical eye, but I guess that is part of the fun of collecting.

Thanks for providing all of your opinions and knowledge. I am a bit more educated now. Caley Ann
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 Posted 10/16/2017  8:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list
Ok yes. Of course after 1982, US cents were made with a zinc core, which can corrode quite quickly. If you can, please post a pic or two of the ick on one of your slabbed coins. That would be quite interesting I think.
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 Posted 10/16/2017  9:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add uslccollector to your friends list
I don't own any slabbed coins with green ick. Like I said, I avoid those like the plague. I just could not believe TPGing services slabbed coins with such stuff. Like I said, it probably isn't corrosion in those slabs, but just oil and dirt.
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 Posted 10/16/2017  10:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list
It is really simple. If you have any Copper, Bronze, etc. items out doors, you would eventually see the same thing. In some areas of the country Copper cables actually sort of rot away. In the Midwest, Companies such as ComEd have gone to Lead Covered Copper cables for grounding due to the excessive SO and SO2 in the air. This Sulfur Oxide compounds in the air combine with water, H OH, to form an Acid that attacks Copper forming CuSO3 or 4 which is that green stuff on pipes, statues and coins. In some areas this is so bad you read about what is called Acid Rain ruining statues and other outdoor things. That green stuff is CuSO3 or CuSO4 and it will spread if left lone. AND do not get it on your hands since Copper Sulfate is poisonous.
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 Posted 10/16/2017  10:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
The Statue Of Liberty needed a very extensive restoration due to corrosion.
Steel skeleton (frame), with copper cladding.
Not a good combination of metals.
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 Posted 10/17/2017  8:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add uslccollector to your friends list
OK, here is a picture I pulled off the internet. This is a US Braided Hair Large Cent reverse which has what I call the green ick. Exactly what is it, if it is not corrosion?
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 Posted 10/17/2017  9:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ron6788 to your friends list
I think it's just some kind of crud instead of actual damage or incipient damage and that's why they're slabbed. So many copper and some silvers- with just a little copper- have some of this. Here's a recent pic of 10 circ IHCs reverses that I was selling. About half of them have some green crud.


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 Posted 10/17/2017  9:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ron6788 to your friends list
Actually, some of those IHCs I bought looked so nasty under a loupe that, at one point, I gave most of them a bath. Don't know if it really killed any germs but it made me feel better, lol.

Your lg cent does look a little severe, though. Maybe, it does have some pitting along with the ick.
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 Posted 10/21/2017  11:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ron6788 to your friends list
Look at these pics of an 1826 bust half. It's only 10% copper but has plenty of this ick. Look closely (if you can stand it) at the curls of hair and the feathers of the eagle on the rev. I'm not in favor of cleaning but this poor thing needs help. It's not my coin and I wouldn't touch it, sorry to say.


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 Posted 10/22/2017  8:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add uslccollector to your friends list
That half still looks amazing. Great coin.

The photo of the US Large Cent I posted of the reverse, wasn't as bad as I thought according to the Frisco Mint, who was selling it. The said it did have some verdigris and several tiny bits of corrosion, but that PCGS would never have slabbed the coin if it was any concern. I ended up purchasing what I always have considered a coin with problems. As I have a very limited budget, this coin, at PCGS EF45 is a good fit to my collection. On top of that, it has a nice pedigree, an ex -Walter Dudgeon, and to boot, is a rarity 6- coin according to the Grellman census.

Guess you have to be fairly happy when you get to pick up a coin like this that fits your budget. I guess that without the green ick on it, that coin would cost at least twice what I paid for it.
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 Posted 10/30/2017  08:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bandsdean to your friends list
Silver half looks like grease or dirt. Large cent has light verdigris and grease which looks like it will come off with some verdicare. I would love to have that half as she's a beauty!
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