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 Posted 05/18/2008  01:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spedward to your friends list
latman, how much did you put in of each ingredient?

and did you wrap it up in alfoil? in boiling water
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 Posted 05/18/2008  01:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spedward to your friends list
I've tried vinegar and salt on coppers, all I noticed was removing of toning. May try again sometime
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 Posted 05/18/2008  02:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add latman100 to your friends list

Quote:
how much did you put in of each ingredient?

and did you wrap it up in alfoil? in boiling water


Not really an exact science. A spoonful of baking powder, a splash of salt and some scrunched up foil just sitting in the pot.

And the vinegar and salt thing I probably let go too long. Later dated coins without too much toning cleaned up reasonably well, but earlier dates with more tone I left in the solution longer which seemed to damage the surface a little bit. Gave an unnatural look.

What it all means is that you can buy a seemingly nice coin that may have been cleaned very recently without knowing it. I dare say anyone would have a hard time telling the '59 was cleaned.

I am keeping some of these cleaned coins stored away to see what the long term result will be.

Tonight I will do the ammonia bath to see what happens. I will also do another one in baking powder with before and after pics to see if anyone can tell it has been cleaned (apart from being cleaner)
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05/18/2008 02:21 am
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 Posted 05/18/2008  02:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spedward to your friends list
Ok I mixed a tiny bit of water with salt and baking powder, put it on alfoil and wrapped it up and put it in the boiling water, it didnt work

will try your way.
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 Posted 05/18/2008  03:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spedward to your friends list
how long did you leave the gold one and what did you dowhen you took it out?
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 Posted 05/18/2008  05:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add latman100 to your friends list

Here are the results of the ammonia test. These are the before.

Cleaned-Coins

Cleaned-Coins

And these are the after.

Cleaned-Coins

Cleaned-Coins

I would say that is a significant difference.

Can't do the baking powder again at the moment, no coins I want to chance destroying.

Has been an interesting experiment, I have learnt a method of cleaning that is very hard to detect. Can only wait now to see what the long term effect are.

However, I would strongly advise not doing this to any coin you really like, want to keep etc. I personally like an attractive tone on coins, and I guess it is in a way dishonest if you are going to sell the coin. You are miss-representing what you have. And who knows what the long term effects will be.
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 Posted 05/18/2008  05:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spedward to your friends list
yeh. It's not one I really like

Baking powder one didn't work.
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 Posted 05/18/2008  08:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Learjet to your friends list
So it's still goldy in colour, just brighter?
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 Posted 05/18/2008  10:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add latman100 to your friends list
I think my camera is a dud for photographing coins. Couldn't get true colour representation on any of these pics. The "gold" ones are a really subdued but definite gold colour, the after ammonia coins are actually very silver again.

Think I need to spend more time in the photography section.
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 Posted 05/18/2008  11:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spedward to your friends list
yeh the silver ones look gold to me lol

lighting?
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 Posted 05/19/2008  04:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Snooba to your friends list

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Originally posted by latman100

Snooba, have you tried vinegar and salt on your coppers?


I have tried absolutely everything! I even used silvo, brasso and steel-wool on some of them. I wanted to get a really good idea of the results of cleaning on coins, so I did all of the very, very bad things to them that I could think of!

I've cooked 'em, cleaned 'em, whizzed 'em, toned 'em, and then un-toned 'em! I am now quite familiar with how a coin that is un-altered should look, and how it shouldn't look.

But whatever you do, don't do it on a coin that you want to keep! Only ever experiment on damaged or worthless coins. Good luck.

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 Posted 05/19/2008  05:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spedward to your friends list
I'll use my 1c and 2c for testing of coppers, got heaps of them
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 Posted 05/19/2008  05:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Snooba to your friends list

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Originally posted by Spedward

I'll use my 1c and 2c for testing of coppers, got heaps of them


Make sure there are no keepers or scarce dates in among them first. I also used lots of different methods of artificial toning, as I sometimes have difficulty deciding if a coin has natural or artificial toning.

I tried the methods listed here: http://www.coinsite.com/content/ori...p0000080.htm so that I could really study the end results. I use a really good magnifying glass and took photos of the coins before and after, and then I use them to compare to coins that I'm thinking of purchasing.

But, again, only use these methods for experimentation and for education, and don't use good coins!

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 Posted 05/19/2008  05:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spedward to your friends list
Yeh snooba, I've noodled through all of them, al the 60s ones are in freezer bags in the tin, rest are 70s and 80s
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 Posted 05/24/2008  7:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spedward to your friends list
Thanks latman, it came on Thursday
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05/24/2008 7:29 pm
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