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Best Opinions On How To Grade And Verify Varieties; My 100th Post!

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 Posted 12/31/2017  4:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Aftermathew to your friends list
that was really informative, thanks. I've got no dreams of grandeur or wants too get rich quick. I'm not in it for "money" except you be able to fund the extra expenses I need to be able to indulge in my hobbies a bit more. I really enjoy the search and the research. The pics I take always seen to look better and be easier to see what I see before I download 'em on to here. I can't figure out how to take or upload clean quality photos. I take hours sometimes methodically cross checking, searching for known die markers, and trying to photograph. I didn't mean to come off sounding like I did. I love this hobby, I don't wanna cheapin' it or come off looking like all I care about is finding a way to make a big payout. I just want to get rid of some of what I think I might have, in a way, that people can trust what their getting is what I've said; so I can afford the extra $ for flips, a better loop and down the road afford to contribute to some of these sites, that I've used to teach me so much about becoming a numismatist.
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 Posted 12/31/2017  5:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Crazyb0 to your friends list
If there's anything I may be able to do to help, let me know. Haven't had real success on selling coins much, but have done some. And yea, like you that little bit helps fund the hobby!
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 Posted 12/31/2017  5:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list
Although error coins can and are much more difficult to value I would still use a "standard" dollar figure to consider a TPG.

For me, if the coin will not SELL for $200 or more, I don't send it in. If it will SELL for $200 or more I save it until I have at lest 16 raw coins to send to NGC. Why the figure of 16? It's the lines for coins on submission sheets and it keeps the other costs like postage and standard submission charges to a minimum for each coin.
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 Posted 12/31/2017  5:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Aftermathew to your friends list
Thanks Crazybo, I appreciate that. Umm... maybe you could take a look at these half dollar pics and let me know what you think. Please? I can't find it listed anywhere, so that leads me to believe it's a type of Machine Doubling but, there's a clear ccw spread it's only on the outer edge, on the reverse side from * half to the top of America, with doubling on the tail feathers, bottoms of the arrows, and olive branch. I get most all my coins through circulation so they tend to be a little beat up. And let me know if you think the picture quality is any better or can get better. Thanks. Oh, its a '73 D Kennedy half dollar

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Best-Opinions-On-How-To-Grade-And-Verify-Varieties;-My-100th-Post!
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 Posted 12/31/2017  5:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Aftermathew to your friends list
That's a good idea. Thanks moxking. Part of the reason I haven't done it yet is because I'm not sure, or at least not confident in the potential value of the coins I want to send. Even some of the coins I've spent hours ensuring every listed detail is present and the listed variety is practically the same as my coin, I worry about the grade. It's difficult for me to locate potential accurate values and tree values I find are for ms60/70 bu60 or at minimal au50/55. And one grade lower can be a difference between that coin be valued at $200, and being valued at $20... or worse $2! Lol those pics still didn't come out well, and for some reason, 1 loaded twice and two others not at all.
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 Posted 12/31/2017  5:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Aftermathew to your friends list
More; better pics... I hope
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 Posted 12/31/2017  5:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Aftermathew to your friends list

Best-Opinions-On-How-To-Grade-And-Verify-Varieties;-My-100th-Post!
Best-Opinions-On-How-To-Grade-And-Verify-Varieties;-My-100th-Post!
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 Posted 12/31/2017  6:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Crazyb0 to your friends list
The reason not found, is that is classic MD, machine damage and not doubled dies. I'll get up in a few (let the drugs kick in) and post a few charts that may help you see it better (get on computer). THE RULE, can't state it enough, if the device is REDUCED in size, its MD. It MUST BE INCREASED in size/to be a hub doubled event. Read Vol. 1 below in my signature box, this simply describes the processes and differences.
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 Posted 12/31/2017  6:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Aftermathew to your friends list
Oh wow, thanks. That's helpful. I haven't read anything yet that's really spelled it out like that
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 Posted 12/31/2017  6:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Crazyb0 to your friends list
Best-Opinions-On-How-To-Grade-And-Verify-Varieties;-My-100th-Post!

Best-Opinions-On-How-To-Grade-And-Verify-Varieties;-My-100th-Post!

Best-Opinions-On-How-To-Grade-And-Verify-Varieties;-My-100th-Post!

Best-Opinions-On-How-To-Grade-And-Verify-Varieties;-My-100th-Post!

These should get ya started. Remember "THE RULE", sometimes the variances are quite minute, but the rule always works.

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12/31/2017 6:38 pm
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 Posted 12/31/2017  6:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Aftermathew to your friends list
HAHAHA My drugs have been kicked in for awhile here. Thanks for that info. After reading that 1st part, and then seeing those diagrams, I can CLEARLY see the doubling is shelf like and flat, and its all very uniformed. Not at all like I was thinking it was
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 Posted 12/31/2017  7:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Aftermathew to your friends list
Ok, another quick question. They mentioned annealed errors, and then brought up a nickle referred to as black beauty; I have a bi centennial quarter like that. That depreciates the coin, it doesn't add value to it, right?
I need to go back through done pig the things I think I might of found and recheck
Best-Opinions-On-How-To-Grade-And-Verify-Varieties;-My-100th-Post!
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 Posted 12/31/2017  7:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Aftermathew to your friends list
Oh..! And master hub doubling.. omw from 1965/66 ect... quarters; even if they're spot on matched, with additional DDR DDO varieties. They're not only common but, of little to no additional value
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 Posted 12/31/2017  7:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Crazyb0 to your friends list
You're learning quick! Good for you. The The Official "Black Beauty" thread we started earlier this year, an interesting coin for sure, but those are nickels, not clad coins and only from certain years for the "official" ones. A stained or discolored coin like the quarter is damage, environment, fire, water, may things affect the cladding layers. Nickels are clads remember, react different. and yes, MDD catches many folks, get 'em about once a month on the 1972 Lincoln just swearing they have one of the different varieties that isn't listed yet...snort!

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12/31/2017 7:25 pm
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 Posted 12/31/2017  7:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Aftermathew to your friends list
Lol! Ok, then I definately need to go through and review somethings. How long have you been into this? I said 3 yrs earlier but, now that I think about it, it's probably closer to two. And I know the pennies seem to be all the rave but, I like the quarters and dimes. I started this on my own after reading about it one day, and I don't know when it happened but, it turned out to be one of my favorite hobbies. Geology is the other. My gf got me the mega red 3rd ed. And a rock, gem, & mineral book for Christmas, so I've been busy reading and looking stuff up. There's allot about both, I still need to learn
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