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Grade On 1880-CC Morgan Dollar

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 Posted 02/04/2018  4:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mark1959 to your friends list
Doesn't seem to be enough details in the eagles wing feathers. Not looking good overall.
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 Posted 02/04/2018  4:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list
If the coin in hand looks like the pic you posted it is either: 1) harshly cleaned; or 2) dipped to death.

It has ZERO eye appeal.

As far as authenticity goes I cannot tell from the posted pictures.
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 Posted 02/04/2018  4:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverDollar2017 to your friends list

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Is the reverse rotation a dead giveaway that it's fake?


No. Real Morgan dollars can have a rotated die. In fact, there's a whole article on VAMworld about this. Here: http://www.vamworld.com/Morgan+Dollar+Rotated+Dies

It's the details that are the dead giveaway.
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02/04/2018 4:17 pm
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 Posted 02/04/2018  4:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TheCoinDom to your friends list

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If the coin in hand looks like the pic you posted it is either: 1) harshly cleaned; or 2) dipped to death.


Yes, it looks pretty much the same in hand. That's part of why I found it suspect - the color was totally different compared to another silver dollar which I'm sure is authentic.
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 Posted 02/04/2018  4:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TheCoinDom to your friends list

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No. Real Morgan dollars can have a rotated die.


Thanks for that information. As to the weight, could a real Morgan be 0.3 grams overweight?
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 Posted 02/04/2018  4:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mark1959 to your friends list
Did you ever check to see if a magnet sticks to it?
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 Posted 02/04/2018  4:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TheCoinDom to your friends list

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Did you ever check to see if a magnet sticks to it?


Yes I did and it didn't stick.
Though my magnet might have been too weak, it's probably not steel or another magnetic metal (steel would weigh much less I think; weight is higher than normal).

Hopefully it's a fake made out of real silver, but my realistic guess is plated copper.
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02/04/2018 4:30 pm
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 Posted 02/04/2018  4:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
Ping the coin for sound, and compare to a known genuine Morgan.
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 Posted 02/04/2018  4:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TheCoinDom to your friends list

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Ping the coin for sound, and compare to a known genuine Morgan.


It sounds different, it's like a duller, heavier sound.
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 Posted 02/04/2018  5:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list
It's certainly fake, and I wouldn't bet on silver.
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 Posted 02/04/2018  6:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismatic student to your friends list
Not looking good...

Morgan silver dollar Specifications and Details
Weight 26.730 grams
Weight Tolerance (+/-) 0.097 grams
https://www.thespruce.com/morgan-si...ions-4074187
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 Posted 02/05/2018  09:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Agree. I'm no expert, but this lacks even the slightest evidence of bagging or wear.
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 Posted 02/05/2018  10:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TheCoinDom to your friends list
Thanks guys,
the coin doesn't stick to even the strongest of magnets.

I believe it's plated copper, I might check that by scratching it.
I'm still hoping it's silver though (though I don't believe it is).
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 Posted 02/05/2018  11:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gargriff49 to your friends list
Looks like they forgot to add reeding to the edge.
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 Posted 02/06/2018  6:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TheCoinDom to your friends list

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Looks like they forgot to add reeding to the edge.


No, that's just how it looks from the scans (illusion - they do not include the edge), but actually the edge is regularly reeded with a black patina added to it.
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