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1794 Half Cent - Real Or Fake?

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 Posted 02/05/2018  8:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mark1959 to your friends list
I don't know if there is a grade low enough for that one!
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 Posted 02/05/2018  8:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverDollar2017 to your friends list
Basal state unless the date can be identified.

I don't know how it couldn't be authentic.
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 Posted 02/05/2018  8:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ariette to your friends list

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Basal state unless the date can be identified.


Well I had originally thought it could be determined as a 1794 Half Cent due to the large head, which was a one year type. But now that I look at it a bit more thoroughly, I'm not quite sure anymore which type of head it is. It almost looks like something in between the large and small versions - there simply isn't enough detail left to tell.

In that case, I'll probably pass on this one.
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 Posted 02/05/2018  8:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list

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I'll probably pass on this one.


I agree--you can do better than this one.
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 Posted 02/05/2018  9:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Debrajc to your friends list
Yes, for sure pass on this one.
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 Posted 02/05/2018  9:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ariette to your friends list
OK, so I found another one from the same seller that I'm considering. This one is a Liberty Cap Right, No Pole Half Cent, that can be conclusively dated to 1795 even though the date is not visible. It looks to me like an honest Poor-1, with no major problems other than excessive wear. The price is solidly within my budget. Any thoughts on whether this coin would grade straight?

1794-Half-Cent---Real-Or-Fake?
1794-Half-Cent---Real-Or-Fake?
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 Posted 02/05/2018  9:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chesterb to your friends list
The first coin is definitely a 1794. The variety might be able to be determined by what appears to be a die break arc in the right obverse field. What prices are you looking at here for these coins? We might be able to help guide you on value...
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 Posted 02/05/2018  9:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ariette to your friends list

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The first coin is definitely a 1794. The variety might be able to be determined by what appears to be a die break arc in the right obverse field. What prices are you looking at here for these coins? We might be able to help guide you on value...


The first one is being offered for 70 dollars. I have been trying to look through past auction results to determine a reasonable price, though it is tough to do for such a low grade piece. The best I could find were a few Poor-1 and Fair-2 coins that sold for around 200 dollars. The second one is being offered for 90, which seems about right for a Poor-1.
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 Posted 02/05/2018  9:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MikeF to your friends list
If you have more patience, you should be able to find one for a couple hundred in a details holder that has far more detail than the ones you are proposing. I don't think you will be happy with hunk of ugly copper that you can barely make out any details on.
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 Posted 02/05/2018  10:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MikeF to your friends list

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The best I could find were a few Poor-1 and Fair-2 coins that sold for around 200 dollars.


With these lowballs I think you would be better off finding one in a vg to f details holder. You will get better device details and be prouder of the coin. Finding these in the $150 - $200 range is doable.
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 Posted 02/05/2018  10:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jpsned to your friends list
If I were a counterfeiter, would I really want to be making fakes in poor condition? Wouldn't it be more cost-effective to be making attractive coins?
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 Posted 02/06/2018  08:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jerseyben to your friends list
I see a lot of posts like this. Please ask yourself: Why WOULDNT this be authentic? There is absolutely no reason to fake a coin that looks like this.
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 Posted 02/06/2018  3:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Keep looking!
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 Posted 02/06/2018  3:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverDollar2017 to your friends list
In my opinion, don't buy either. Buy one that may be details, but at least AG. Not PO or FR.
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In my opinion, don't buy either. Buy one that may be details, but at least AG. Not PO or FR.
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