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Real Or Created Rainbow Toning On Proof Lincoln Cents?

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 Posted 03/12/2018  2:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list
I am not quick to call shenanigans on the toning. I have seen album cents with that type of toning, all depending on the album material and/or storage history.
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 Posted 03/12/2018  3:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Crazyb0 to your friends list
Cammy, why do you want to buy a damaged coin?. I ask in all seriousness tho. I believe even a natural progression of metal discolorazation to be a deterioration of metallic state content of a coin. "Rainbowing" is the first stage of "tarnish" of which Grandma had a fix....this "patina" is the first stage of a "metal rust" for lack of better adjective, to describe metal oxides happening, the crusty, black scale that happens on large coins, or carbon flashing. Unless arrested in progression, this will deteriorate into the lesser states. It may look nice now, by in 20-30 years, won't.

Naturally toned? Do events in nature produce perfect results? 'Nuff said. What caused it? A round object like a socket was centered on coin, something sprayed/wiped/brushed around it. (Lemon juice?) This would give a variance up to sharp division line.

Never seen in any mint holders I've purchased or even looked at, so suspect an implant is in one. Only coin I will say I've ever seen verifiably naturally rainbow toned was found in a repackaged snap cased 2000 ASE, but sure wasn't a perfect center or circumference. Since my personal preference was to dip it, I decided to show here on CCF first, snatched up and saved from my fire real quick!

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 Posted 03/12/2018  3:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tunnioc to your friends list
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 Posted 03/12/2018  5:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list
The toning on your coin is 100% mint natural and market acceptable. The 1970S proofs are well known for toning in the mint packaging. I've owned many of these rainbow toned 1970S's - several in PCGS and NGC slabs.

Here's my PCGS MS-67:

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 Posted 03/12/2018  5:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list
Here's one I regret selling, probably the best one I've ever seen:


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 Posted 03/12/2018  5:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list
I've owned quite a few of these, I love 'em!


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 Posted 03/12/2018  6:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list

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The toning on your coin is 100% mint natural and market acceptable. The 1970S proofs are well known for toning in the mint packaging. I've owned many of these rainbow toned 1970S's - several in PCGS and NGC slabs.
I feel vindicated for not calling shenanigans.
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 Posted 03/12/2018  8:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list

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I feel vindicated for not calling shenanigans.


The 1970S proof cents are very, very well known for developing rainbow toning - over 20 years now.

I standby my opinion that there is no such thing as "artificial" or "natural" toning. It's hogwash. A coin is either market acceptable or it is not. Yes, people "create" toning - but, just like cleaning, when it's done right the coin can be market acceptable. That said, more often than not, such experiments end in a complete disaster ruining the coin forever.
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 Posted 03/12/2018  8:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add luvmyCAM to your friends list
Badthad I'm memorized by your examples, The one I showed was just different and when placed near others was still different. I frankly was drawn to this coin, unfortunately so were others and to own it I had to provide the equivalent of dinner, wine, and movie. Crazybo your right also, there is no factual reason, motivation, explanation for falling in love with these odditys and I agree its a fetish that will have to be tuned and developed. Ive progressed to a point where I cannot but be enchanted by these and the SMS cameos. Frankly I am ever so slightly being pulled away from the die varieties and hovering into the traditional high grade common issue coins. You guys have decades in this and must have reached long ago the point I'm at now "I have become aware". Before anyone laughs let me say this is more than a hobby its a passion. The coins pedigree is linked to the Centurion Collection. I know nothing about it other than that, but I wonder about whomever slabbed it and I'm thankful. Thanks for ALL comments, I monkey around alot but on this one I sought straight shooting and got it.
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 Posted 03/12/2018  9:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list
There is no harm in offering an uneducated opinion if you admit your inexperience with a given subject.

OP's cent is natural toning and it's easy to see that it is.

There are obvious AT out there, but this bullseye double field tone is, thus far, exempt from that damaging tone type.
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 Posted 03/12/2018  9:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add luvmyCAM to your friends list
Thanks Mox. I honestly admit I learn new things on this forum, and get the biggest kick from all the gang. I'm over my rookie thin skin and intend to pump knowledge from the experienced folks as long as I'm tolerated.
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 Posted 03/12/2018  10:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list

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Badthad I'm memorized by your examples, The one I showed was just different and when placed near others was still different. I frankly was drawn to this coin, unfortunately so were others and to own it I had to provide the equivalent of dinner, wine, and movie. Crazybo your right also, there is no factual reason, motivation, explanation for falling in love with these odditys and I agree its a fetish that will have to be tuned and developed. Ive progressed to a point where I cannot but be enchanted by these and the SMS cameos. Frankly I am ever so slightly being pulled away from the die varieties and hovering into the traditional high grade common issue coins. You guys have decades in this and must have reached long ago the point I'm at now "I have become aware". Before anyone laughs let me say this is more than a hobby its a passion. The coins pedigree is linked to the Centurion Collection. I know nothing about it other than that, but I wonder about whomever slabbed it and I'm thankful. Thanks for ALL comments, I monkey around alot but on this one I sought straight shooting and got it.


"dinner, wine, movie"

You think like I do! I drive my wife insane with such equivalencies. LOLOLOLOL Just battled with her last night over a lavish Caribbean vacation she wants. I countered her a new kitchen/entry floor...or maybe a big road trip up the west coast. That's life, deciding what to spend money on is tough!

I like your attitude - glad to help you anytime.

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 Posted 03/12/2018  10:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list
Also wanted to welcome you into the toned coin club! You have officially been bitten! Let me add some more toxin into you bloodstream. Another horrible, corroded coin:



A forum member here pulled this from an OBW roll that he cracked:

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 Posted 03/13/2018  10:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list

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I standby my opinion that there is no such thing as "artificial" or "natural" toning. It's hogwash. A coin is either market acceptable or it is not. Yes, people "create" toning - but, just like cleaning, when it's done right the coin can be market acceptable. That said, more often than not, such experiments end in a complete disaster ruining the coin forever.
I agree. There is no clear line between accident and intent. Chemistry do not care what you were or were not thinking.
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 Posted 08/15/2019  1:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Big-Kingdom to your friends list
people have their opinions, some like toning, others do not. Some is market acceptable, some is not.

I personally like toning a lot, although not the clearly tampered with artificially toned coins. I don't care what coins you have at some point the metal is going to tone, in some regions faster than others in some places slower than molasses depending on humidity and environmental conditions.
Toning is a natural progression of metal, you can slow it to a crawl with effort but 100 years from now or 200 years from now it's bound to happen. if you like toning free coins, then buy them, if you like toned coins in certain circumstances, buy them. at the end of the day it's your collection, if you want to collect bottle caps, I won't try to talk you out of it either.
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