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2017 P Cent Retained Cud. Spike Head. Retained Interior Die Break

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 Posted 06/17/2018  03:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mrzllewellyn to your friends list
1.Look at the you shape Retained Cud connecting to the rim.through the W.
2. I know that it is a die crack
3. They are cracks connected so not a lamination
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 Posted 06/17/2018  05:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chafemasterj to your friends list
I love seeing multiple errors on a single coin. Plus that 2017-P is in fantastic shape. Really nice find.
Check out my counterstamped Lincoln Cent collection:
http://goccf.com/t/303507
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 Posted 06/17/2018  1:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list
That's NOT a Cud. A Cud is attached to the rim. The would be called a Retained Interior Die Break. These are what you call Cuds. cuds-on-coins.com/lincoln-cent-cuds-2000-2008/
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 Posted 06/17/2018  2:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add da Swampster to your friends list
I see all of it.. Not a problem from here..

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 Posted 06/17/2018  2:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mrzllewellyn to your friends list
E and v the Retained Cud is red arrows which is connected to the RIM
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 Posted 06/17/2018  5:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Waynoah83 to your friends list
Are you saying the Cud is attached to the rim because of the die break? I can't really tell but I'm pretty sure the break would have to start at the rim and bend around back to the rim. I don't see that which would make it an RIDB at the most. I'm not saying it isn't it's just hard to see from the pic. Maybe you could post a pic and trace over the border of the crack that your talking about so we can see what your seeing?
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 Posted 06/17/2018  7:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mrzllewellyn to your friends list
This is what I see best I can do drawing with my finger
2017-P-Cent-Retained-Cud.-Spike-Head.-Retained-Interior-Die-Break
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 Posted 06/17/2018  9:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
No the outside edge of the die breaks off:
2017-P-Cent-Retained-Cud.-Spike-Head.-Retained-Interior-Die-Break
A chip is a very small part on the face of the die.A Cud will look like this because of the void on the die:
2017-P-Cent-Retained-Cud.-Spike-Head.-Retained-Interior-Die-Break
Note the reverse. Where the Cud happened (a part of the die is missing) note the weakness on the reverse of the coin because the metal was missing and there was no resistance there to make the coin strike up from the other die.
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A Retained Cud is before die breaks all the way correct outline of die cracks from the rim back to rim correct everyone thinks I'm saying Cud I'm saying Retained Cud but ok I was wrong thank you guys for your opinions.
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 Posted 06/18/2018  08:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add da Swampster to your friends list

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A Retained Cud is before die breaks all the way correct outline of die cracks from the rim back to rim correct everyone thinks I'm saying Cud I'm saying Retained Cud but ok I was wrong thank you guys for your opinions.
No, it isn't ok.. You are not wrong..
There is either such a thing as a Retained Cud or there isn't..
If there is such a thing, which there is, one is present in the photo..
(There is also a not-noted RIDC in the photo..)

I believe at least part of the reason new folks (and to a lesser degree nearly everyone) on
CCF have difficulty with terminology and definitions is due to the fact the glossary here is
rather incomplete in this regard.. I've related a couple missing def's I've come across to
admin via the proper channel.. I know there are others missing as well.. It would be most
helpful if all the definitions and acronym translations were available on-site rather than
needing to be hunted down elsewhere..

This is the only weak spot I noticed in my short time as a member of this community.. I
should have brought it to the attention of admin weeks ago in its own entry instead of
being mentioned as a tack-on with one of the individual feedbacks.. But I haven't, or
didn't.. I'm mentioning it here-and-now though, in what appears to be a perfect thread
to do so.. It both relates to the subject matter and people who can help with oversight
resolvement will bear witness..

Swamp
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06/18/2018 08:09 am
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 Posted 06/25/2018  1:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mrzllewellyn to your friends list
Well got it listed as SKH-1c-2017P-09.

http://cuds-on-coins.com/lincoln-ce...010-present/
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Awesome Mrzllewellyn! Congratulations on the new listing! That's a good one.
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@ Mrzllewellyn

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 Posted 06/25/2018  1:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list

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U.S. Coins with "SPIKE HEAD"
All "SPIKE HEADS" will have a die crack from the rim into any portion of the bust's head. It shall be limited to die cracks found on the obverse of the coin. The designation SKH will identify this type of die crack.

As a spike head, not a retained Die Cud.

I finally found the page I wanted to know what the designations were:

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A Guide to Numbering System Used On This Site

The numbering system is based on individual die anomalies. If a coin has a number of anomalies (X amount of Cuds / X amount of Retained Cuds, etc.), each anomaly will have a separate file number.

If a coin has more than one type of anomaly (split die with Cuds or Retained Cuds) that coin will be listed in each anomaly category with reference to the other anomalies seen on that coin. This also applies if the coin has different anomalies on the obverse and reverse faces of that coin.

The numbering system does not factor in the mint of origin (mintmark) or the face that the anomaly is present (obverse or reverse). The numbers are consecutive for the amount of anomaly types found in that year for that denomination.

The United Sates Civil War tokens are separated into Civil War Patriotic tokens (PT) and Civil War Store Cards (SC) and are so designated in their file number. If the city of origin is known for that token, it will be indicated in parentheses after the date; 1863(NY).

If a cross reference number is known (Thurman/Margolis, Fuld, etc.) it will be indicated below the images for that die anomaly. If the coin has more than one type of anomaly, it will be indicated by (See and a reference number) below the images provided for that die anomaly.



(Type designator) - (Denomination /mint*/country**) - (year) - (file number) (Rev. die***)



The list of type designators:

1. CU = Cud

2. RCD = Retained Cud

3. IDB = Interior die break

4. RIDB = Retained interior die break

5. SD = Split die

6. SHD = Shattered die.

7. RRDC = Rim to opposing rim die crack

8. UDC = Unusual Die Crack

9. LDB = Lincoln Cent Die Breaks occurring in the word LIBERTY.

10. SKH = "Spike Head". Only occurring on the obverse of U. S and foreign coins.

Bold added by me.
* Mintmark will be used for only USA coins.

** Country of origin code will be in parenthesis ( ) and will only be used for non-US coins. Country codes used on this site are compiled from this link.

*** Only the reveres die will be identified with a letter R. Obverse dies will have no identifier. R = Reverse die

That Helps us more.
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06/25/2018 1:29 pm
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I finally found the page I wanted to know what the designations were:
Thanks for finding, Coop.. I spent a couple hours searching that AM and was unable to locate..

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U.S. Coins with "SPIKE HEAD"
All "SPIKE HEADS" will have a die crack from the rim into any portion of the bust's head. It shall be limited to die cracks found on the obverse of the coin. The designation SKH will identify this type of die crack.
As a spike head, not a retained Die Cud.
Even if a portion of the spike is also a portion of the Retained Cud..?

Swamp
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