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Farewell LCS And Goodbye Coin Shows

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 Posted 10/06/2018  10:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kopper Ken to your friends list
I used to like to go in to my LCS, hoist myself on the stool and look through the Lincoln cents trying to upgrade from a Fine to a Very Fine...those were the days. Details were important, what you did and how you did it mattered.

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 Posted 10/06/2018  10:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jafo50 to your friends list

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I see the internet and ebay as the primary coin shop killer. But of course other factors come into play as well."


This......
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 Posted 10/06/2018  10:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list
There is an old saying that....

"Things change as things change."

That saying is so true now more than ever!
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 Posted 10/06/2018  11:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Finn235 to your friends list
I've visited two LCS in two towns that I've lived in. One was rude to me because I wasn't an "Old White Guy". His prices were a little high, but I didn't want to give my business to someone who is dismissive of a potential customer.

The other was also rude to me, had almost exclusively "upper end" Seated and Capped Bust coins, all of which were laughably overpriced (talking $250-500 for common date, uncertified coins). His junk drawers were 1) World coins worth 5 cents or less for 25 cents, 2) Dateless buffs for $1.50 each, 3) Low grade IHC's for $2.50 each. His "show piece" was a Charlotte mint gold $1 with visible wear for $2,500.

I hope that I just have had bad luck, but if that's what is out there, no wonder the LCS is going extinct.
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 Posted 10/06/2018  11:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinBuffalo to your friends list
I live in Ohio too and there's nothing really around me either aside from the We Buy Gold/Pawn Shops. Someday I'll check out the nearest one to me but I don't feel comfortable I know enough to not get scammed yet. I always hear negative stories about rude dealers so I'm reluctant.
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 Posted 10/06/2018  11:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SpaceMaNy0 to your friends list
There are 3 or 4 here in my area of Indiana, I've been to all but one. I've gotten a decent repoire over the years with the one guy's shop the wife and I frequent. I think repeat business and letting them know you know your stuff too helps.

Shows on the other hand, it's harder for me to feel comfortable.
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 Posted 10/06/2018  3:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list

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I hope that I just have had bad luck, but if that's what is out there, no wonder the LCS is going extinct.



Unfortunately your experiences aren't uncommon, especially for those of us who are younger than the general coin show crowd as we usually get treated very differently by a lot of places. A lot of them just never adjusted from the days where they could charge whatever because there wasn't much other choice before the internet market got huge. The local coin shows are even worse from what I've seen with the out of town small sellers some of which have no shame.

That said there are still good coin shops out there. Most of the better lesser known ones I've been too seem to generally do something else like jewelry or other collectables as well.
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 Posted 10/06/2018  10:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kopper Ken to your friends list
Most of the coin shows are now collectibles shows...lot of old crappy stuff being sold (not the coins & currency)...stamps have died off. I can see in a few years the ANA and the APS having joint shows similar to ones in Canada.

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 Posted 10/07/2018  12:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MikeF to your friends list
I say good riddance. I've never had a positive experience in a coin shop. Even as an 8 year old kid. Actually I should say it was a positive experience but the memory became tarnished when I got back into collecting as an adult and realized that I got ripped off on all the coins I purchased from that shop.

The overpricing of coins at coin shops still continues to this day. I travel a lot for work so I have the privilege of visiting shops in multiple states and the story is always the same. Unreasonable markups on raw coins and even worse on graded coins.

I agree that regional coin shows are worse. I have never seen more junk Seated dollars and capped bust halves marked up to astronomical levels in one place. I used to get frustrated when leaving a show empty handed. Now I wear it as a badge of honor. It's not my fault that they are selling junk at inflated prices.

The internet auction companies are killing the dinosaur coin business models and unless they adapt they will end up extinct. Combine that with all the free education you can get online and it's no surprise that their naïve customer base of suckers are moving to online platforms to purchase their coins.

Side note: These days many coin dealers too purchase their coins at auctions and mark them up 15%. Once you understand and recognize this, unless you're a moron, you will start purchasing your coins at auctions as well.
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 Posted 10/07/2018  08:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list
By me not much ever changes as to coin stores or coin shows. We have at least 4 coin shows a Month by me and all within about 15 miles.
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 Posted 10/07/2018  08:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scopru to your friends list
I agree as well the internet and online sellers have severely impacted the brick and mortars. They need to change and adapt or they will go away. We had 2 shops I would go to in my town. My story matches one of the above. I am not an old white guy so was immediately ignored and given very short answers when I could get the owners attention. The guy was more concerned with selling a roll of newly released quarters, than trying to come to a price on some of the seated half he had.
The other is a breath of fresh air. Always takes the time to stop what he is doing and chat and show me coins HE is excited to have in his store. Which often gets me to grab a few more items that I intended. However, his business is obviously slowing as store hours are now very short and only a few days of the week.

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 Posted 10/11/2018  10:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cdncoins to your friends list
It's hard for coin shops to compete when they have to pay for rent, employees, utilities, etc. I have found that some of the larger ones have a very good web presence as well and probably do more business through that. There is one shop in particular that I like as they are always having sales of one sort or another. I have bought items from them and even after paying tax and shipping it is less than what I could buy those items at a coin show. There is also an online-only dealer in the U.S. that I like because they offer free shipping over $25 and I don't pay tax. The smaller bricks and mortar only shops are in trouble, especially when they are supposed to charge customers tax compared to no tax when you go to a show. ebay of course is a good source, but shipping outside of Canada can be prohibitive. I have never bought anything from an online auction, as they charge 15-20% buyer's premium and 13% sales tax. Then shipping charges, which are unknown in advance!
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 Posted 10/12/2018  10:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kopper Ken to your friends list

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...compared to no tax when you go to a show.


Is that so in Canada? In reality you are supposed to collect tax at all sale points within the state. I'm not sure how people file their taxes.

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 Posted 10/18/2018  08:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Andrew99 to your friends list
If you are a legit business in the US, you have to pay sales tax. You are permitted to just add it into the price you charge which is what most dealers will do. I wouldn't assume that all the people you deal with at shows cheat on their taxes.
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