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 Posted 12/11/2018  06:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mjc to your friends list

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 Posted 12/11/2018  06:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list
Ok yes those are much better pics. I have taken the liberty of rotating and cropping the rev (easier on old eyes). If you could also please post the weight and diameter, I think that might be helpful.


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I don't see a parting line, which is a good start but not definitive. Others will be on soon enough to offer their opinions.


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 Posted 12/11/2018  07:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mjc to your friends list
Thank you so much for your help.
Weight is 14g and 21mm
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 Posted 12/11/2018  07:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jadey to your friends list
I searched Greek coin Ptolemy Eagle, looked at images, and found something similar here. Follow this link for a start.
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 Posted 12/11/2018  07:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jadey to your friends list
From the article NGC Ancients: Civic Badges on Greek Coins

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One of the great traditions of humankind, dating perhaps from the earliest phases of civilization, is the use of symbols to represent social units that range from individuals or families, to much larger confederations like cities, nations or regions.

The Roman emperor Augustus chose the Sphinx, a mythological lion with wings and a human head, as his personal badge, and an early Greek king of Egypt, Ptolemy I, chose as his insignia Zeus' eagle perched on a thunderbolt. Both of these men used their chosen designs on coins. In the case of Ptolemy it was the principal reverse type of his kingdom's coinage for 250 years.
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 Posted 12/11/2018  07:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mjc to your friends list
Fantastic. Thanks Jadey
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 Posted 12/11/2018  07:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jadey to your friends list
You're welcome. Did you get my edited link, the one with thumbnails? I deleted the first link I posted and replaced it.
Also, I was perusing this site and noticing that many of the tetradrachms are 14 grams, but all of them are larger diameter than yours, ranging from 25-28 mm. Yours is quite significantly smaller.
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I did thank you. Yes one side is very worn down! A great read and a great find. Thank you
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It is a Ptolemy tetradrachm, or at least pretending to be one. These are commonly faked. The design is good and there isn't any hint of casting that I can see, but it is very small at 21mm and I couldnt find any that small, they generally do not get smaller than 24mm and at that point design is lost off the edge. The real deal is quite thick, but this one should be really really thick to be only 21mm - it makes me think it might not silver and the small size is to maintain weight (they minted these by striking blanks of a certain weight rather than width). Can you tell in hand what the metal is?
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Thanks Ben. It does look like real silver.
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It's got that old silver look.
If it's silver and they struck it then I'm
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I agree, looks good. Couldn't find a match for it amongst reported fakes. Looks like Ptolemy IX, with the datemark LI (10th year of his reign, 106/7 BC) and mintmark PA (Paphos, Cyprus) one of the late rulers of Ptolemaic egypt - here is a depiction of him being crowned pharaoh:

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Ptolemaic coins can be difficult to attribute. I believe yours is Ptomley XII similar to one of mine.


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