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both are fake made by same fake master. I also believe the provenance of being from 1960 col is lie. I dont know nomos at all is it a legit auction house?
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Well just because someone copied the coin from one that was offered by Nomos in 2016 does not mean the Nomos coin is not real. Either way, you are questioning a 50 year old auction house. This coin we are discussing is clearly fake, sadly for the original poster. https://nomosag.com/default.aspx?page=ucAboutUs |
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Nomos is legit; they are in Zurich and they hold live auctions with some pretty good coins in them. That was a web auction, though. I wonder if they have all the items in hand before the auction?
I wouldn't have thought either coin was authentic from the picture alone. That double die match shows it isn't a cast, so it must be struck. Perhaps the chatter is die rust?
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Ben;
I don't know about the posted coin because downloading the photo and blowing up completely I can't find encrustation in the crevices. But the Nomos coin, especially in the ear of the obverse, there is some serious encrustation from the earth that would be hard to create. The Nomos coin has so much better surfaces. Now especially that M by the race torch, a die match for imperfections but not across the whole coin. Just strange all around.
--->Just adding this to the post: The posted coin edge artifact at 4-5 o'clock. There is nothing like that in an ac search I can find. Clearly it is a strike artifact, but you would think the edge of the die would mark like that on some other coin in the hundreds of examples from an acsearch. Again strange.
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01/11/2019 7:30 pm
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I'm sure nomos is good if you guys say so although I personally never heard of them , however, I know for a fact that auction houses in Germany in Europe in general are plagued by fakes
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Valued Member
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Thank you friends. Again, I learned from the comments of the group members. Thank you for your patience!
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I agree a fake and one fairly easy to spot.
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I've collected ancient coins and some moderns for over twenty years. I visit internet coin forums often to read posts but haven't been much interested in posting comments myself. Finally I took the plunge today and signed up here at Coin Community. I don't want to cause trouble but the comment by hvedo that German auction houses and Europe in general are plagued with fakes is in my opinion incorrect. I'd be open to someone pointing out research or news articles saying this. Once in a while a major auction house will withdraw a lot or sell a lot later deemed fake. This happens to both USA dealers and Europe dealers. I've purchased many coins from Europe auction houses, some from Nomos, and all offer refunds if a coin is determined to be fake. Internet sites like biddr and sixbid have a good number of European dealers. I don't think they'd last if they were plagued by fakes. Of course ebay is another matter. Numerous fake sellers are on ebay from USA and Europe so it's important to know your hobby and/or buy from well established sellers. |
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I agree with livingwater. I've purchased from Nomos and several other UK & European auction houses with no problems. An excellent source of information, and trustworthy auction houses is here: https://coinsweekly.com/ |
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@livingwater I know for sure many dealers from Europe in VCoins have fakes and it is very simple just look at coins sold by French and German dealers in VCoins many look fake to me. I am not saying all but I could say 50% at least are fakes. There is one specific french dealer which I don't name but his coins in VCoins are very fabricated and wrong style/fabric/metal look and he keep posting many coins which look similar metal and die which means most likely made in same workshop. Again I don't want name or prove but personally I avoid these auction houses I only trust CNG mostly and buy most of my collection from them.
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 to the Community, livingwater! |
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I agree with livingwater and richtea.... Quote:
I know for sure many dealers from Europe in VCoins have fakes and it is very simple just look at coins sold by French and German dealers in VCoins many look fake to me. I am not saying all but I could say 50% at least are fakes. @hvedo...IMO I think your WRONG! And I must say that your- 'Everything is fake Paranoia' for me, is beginning to wear thin!...Paul |
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United States
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hvedo, I think most fakes are made in China and Europe. But we should not assume foreign dealers regularly sell fakes. Some European auction houses have been around a long time. Spink in London started in the year 1666! One of the biggest fake antiquities dealers lives in New York. A recent fake ancient coins seller on ebay is from New Jersey. He has changed his store name several times and keeps selling the same garbage using the same photos. Vcoins started in 1998. I have purchased coins there with no problems. If you think a fraudster is selling fakes on Vcoins don't buy from that seller and report them to the Vcoins administrator. No dealer is perfect. Some years ago I got a bronze coin from a CNG auction. When it arrived I looked at it with a magnifier. The coin had been altered to improve the condition. Pits in the field had been filled in with soft colored putty. I'd never seen that before. I got a full refund. CNG is a great company. No doubt the coin was enhanced before CNG got it. By the way, CNG has an office in London making them a foreign dealer. I actually prefer buying coins from USA sellers. Not due to fakes but because of lower shipping fees and no exchange rates. Still, I have no issues buying from Europe if it's a coin I want at a fair price. There are growing concerns about import restrictions. Bottom line, collectors need to be careful. Learn who the honest experienced sellers are who offer returns. |
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Hi Livingwater I agree with what you said but on VCoins it used to be reliable and minitored but nowdays they are way more lenient to accept unknown and untrustworthy dealers there and that is not just what I think there are others who also think the same way you can check this thread. http://goccf.com/t/336718by the way the code of ethics that VCoins has is no use because some of the fakes are really good fakes that can not be spotted by average collectors and dealers. If you end up buying one of those dangerous fakes you will most likely will keep it as genuine and never can prove its fake although in reality it is a fake. so dont count much on the gaurantee they give on VCoins. The only way you will know with higher confidence is by XRF and send to david sear. not even NGC, as I have seen numerous fakes slabbed by NGC. and less than 10% collectors ever bother XRF or sending to david sear for authentication. |
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Hi hvedo, My local coin shop has an XRF. He checks every Morgan silver dollar I buy from him. He also freely checked some of my ancient silver coins, Athens tetradrachm, Roman denarii. It is not WHERE you buy, ebay,vcoins, etc., but WHO you buy from that is important. Buying from reputable dealers is the first line of defense against fakes. I collect mostly Roman Provincials and Late Roman Bronzes. Some are expensive, but most are $25 to $100 in value. They are not worth the cost of sending to David Sear or anyone else for verification. I do not buy slabbed/graded ancient coins. I don't want them. I like to hold my ancient coins in my hand. There may well be a few fakes in my collection. I don't worry about it. Edited by livingwater
01/13/2019 1:27 pm
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