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There is no real reason why they should not grade that coin MS-67 Red... it has the eye appeal and everything...
Yet, for some unknown reason they are reluctant to give MS-67 grades in that series...
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Nice looking coin! True beauty!!
66/67 a must!
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Superior luster, strike looks sharp, very few carbon specs, it should be ms66 rd compared to your other? Maybe a 67based on colour and less carbon spotting compared to spp 's 1872 ms66 newfy but the newfy penny is a superior strike I think. I'm just trying to compare to others.
Curious what do you think it is?
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Pillar of the Community
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Playing the ICCS to US TPG cross-over game is a dangerous one indeed. Especially when it's a high MS grade 'red'. |
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It is not a game, and bosox certainly knows what he is doing.
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Pictures aren't very large but I literally see no problems so I would personally think MS67 Red at PCGS.
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The grade posted this afternoon. PCGS being their hard$$$ selves on red copper. MS-65 Red. I was expecting 65+ give or take, so it isn't much of a surprise. Will post the TruView when I get it.
Still a great coin with lots of eye appeal.
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Sorry to hear the downgrade. ICCS and PCGS have different grading philosophies and my previous comment about 'the perils of playing the cross-over game' were meant to mean this. I'll give my best personal experience. I have an absolute excellent record of buying raw and graded Canadian coins, submitting them to ICCS and having them upgrade, but when I apply my 'ICCS eye' to US coins and sending them to PCGS or NGC, I get absolutely hammered with many downgrades. The difference between my ICCS success and my PCGS/NGC disasters too consistent to be a fluke. I have learned the hard way the two companies look for different things when grading MS coins. Anybody that tells you different is in my opinion, not very knowledgeable on the subject. Edited by doubleeagle59
03/06/2019 10:13 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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I am impressed by your excellent record and thank you for your advice on the perils of cross grading. I only wish I knew that before.
Quite frankly, I submitted the coin in the ICCS holder telling them I would accept 65 Red. Anything to get a great coin out of an ICCS holder without paying twice. In my opinion, not that I am selling, it is much more marketable having a 100% red coin with eye appeal in a PCGS holder at 65 Red, than in a 66 Red holder of a company that calls 60% or 70% R&B as Red and cares not about eye appeal.
You see, that is where we differ. I do not consider it a downgrade.
Edited by bosox
03/07/2019 02:38 am
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Pillar of the Community
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Bosox......I hear you and I respect your opinion.
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Pillar of the Community
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Bosox has seen more red than our eyeballs were after some of the pub days at the old Torex's down on the waterfront.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Here you go. Double click on the photo to enlarge it. I have seen PCGS grade other coins on par with this one as 66 Red. As I said, a very nice coin. https://www.PCGS.com/cert/37756152http://www.victoriancent.com2011 & 2025 Fred Bowman Award Winner, 2020 J. Douglas Ferguson Award Winner, & 2022 Paul Fiocca Award Winner. Life Member of RCNA.
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Pillar of the Community
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Great looking coin, that's for sure.
I'll try to make sense of the coin's grade, so here goes............
Going on me personal premise that (at these high grades) ICCS concentrates more on obverse fields and PCGS concentrates more on the high relief points, may shed light on the fact that ICCS graded the coin as ms66 and PCGS ms65 (due to the somewhat noticeable hit on the cheek).
Or, maybe the two companies thought it was a borderline ms65/ms66 and they flipped a coin to decide!
Edited by doubleeagle59
03/08/2019 07:22 am
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It is just as nice as my NFLD 1872H MS-66 red...
Frankly, I think you need to take a page out of Bob Forbes playbook here...
Take this coin, your 1887 and your "crappiest" MS-65 Red coin together, and take those three coins through the PCGS walk-through process at FUN, Long Beach or PCGS Vegas show... there is a cost involved, but it usually works. The crappy/normal coin serves as a benchmark to the graders on site.
Bob "walked through" three of my nickel dollars a couple of years ago (two upgrades and my crappiest MS-65). The two coins I thought were better got bumped up, one by a full grade point and the other with a plus.
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Pillar of the Community
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You mean like this one? It is on my list to do, along with my 1900 and 1909. When you send in a cross grade order, it is not in their DNA to let them all cross. https://www.PCGS.com/cert/21820397 |
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