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1909-S LWC VDB For Grading, You Vs PCI

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 Posted 02/07/2019  10:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add T-BOP to your friends list
Wow , I don't know where you guys are getting AU details from with an obverse like that .
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 Posted 02/07/2019  11:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add acloco to your friends list
Could you post a couple more pictures please? Something about 8 inches from the lens if possible.

Obverse is XF+, might go AU, but, definitely cleaned.

Reverse...actually is AU maybe slider UNC!
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 Posted 02/08/2019  12:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverStackerKid to your friends list
By damage I was referring to the spotting it's hard to tell if it's taken over a lot of the coin. I don't see any signs that it's been cleaned like people are saying though. And it looks pretty solid at au50. I wonder what the answer is hahah the suspense on this one is killing me.
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 Posted 02/08/2019  12:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add edthelorax to your friends list
I would like to see a close up of the S and the VDB before making a call on grade.
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 Posted 02/08/2019  11:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
EF details, yuk.
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 Posted 02/08/2019  12:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nick10 to your friends list
OK, fresh photos, as you can tell from the tinted slab color these are without color correction, lit by incandescent

1909-S-LWC-VDB-For-Grading,-You-Vs-PCI
1909-S-LWC-VDB-For-Grading,-You-Vs-PCI
1909-S-LWC-VDB-For-Grading,-You-Vs-PCI
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 Posted 02/08/2019  12:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mdrosophila to your friends list
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 Posted 02/08/2019  1:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add acloco to your friends list
Is the top of the serif of the S....really missing?
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 Posted 02/08/2019  2:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nick10 to your friends list
The S is complete, a scratch on the slab is obscuring it. WipeNew seems to work on car headlights, maybe I can try it on this slab.
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 Posted 02/08/2019  3:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list
AU-50 details, environmental damage
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 Posted 02/08/2019  5:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list
AU50 details. ED

obverse die #4
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 Posted 02/09/2019  11:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nick10 to your friends list
And PCI said ... drumroll ... EF40 green label

Am I remembering correctly that PCI used a red label for "problem" coins?
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 Posted 02/09/2019  3:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add acloco to your friends list
nick10 - Serious? EF40 green label?

Is the slab that scuffed on the front?

If so, either buff that slab or.....drumroll.....send this S VDB for conservation and grading. Nothing but UP side in this coin.
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 Posted 02/09/2019  3:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jimbucks to your friends list
PCI grades are all over the map, so I will guess the "true" grade is XF details, cleaned and/or environmental damage.
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 Posted 02/09/2019  5:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nick10 to your friends list
Interesting, thanks for the feedback. Yes, the left half of the front plastic is hazy much like older car headlight covers. This is one of 10-digit green labels which I understand are the most conservatively graded of PCI slabs. I gather there are no PCI cert number databases online. To my eye the coin's reverse is the better of the two sides, AU-50, with the obverse dragging it down some. EF-45 would be my net grade.
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