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1909-S VDB Purchased Grade Edit

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 Posted 08/22/2008  08:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chrsb to your friends list
AU55 would be my guess. There looks to be wear on the cheek and beard by the photo's. It could be the pic was taken in a 2x2 and it just looks flat in those areas.
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 Posted 08/22/2008  11:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bqcoins to your friends list
I would go as high as Au-58 on that puppy. IMO the VDB and the S look spot on. The s has the die chip and the cut in the upper serif. Any thoughts on Die pair here folks? I'm leaning towards a 3 myself
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 Posted 08/22/2008  12:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list
#4 perhaps?

1909-S--VDB--Purchased-Grade-Edit

As for grade, I find photos pretty tough to grade by, especially borderline coins like this.
If I'm seeing slight rubbing on the high points on Lincoln's jaw and cheek, I might say AU55-58. MS64 RD? Boy I was off!
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08/23/2008 11:12 pm
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 Posted 08/22/2008  12:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1sikevo to your friends list
Hmmm... I'm a little off on my Lincoln grade today ? Sending my resume to SGS today
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 Posted 08/22/2008  4:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chrsb to your friends list
Susanlynn must have been typing right as I was, funny how we had the same thing to say about the coin :)
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 Posted 08/22/2008  10:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list
Looks to be some wear on the cheek from the pics. I'm very surprized this coin is red. Based on these pics, AU-58 Red.
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 Posted 08/22/2008  11:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Parklane64 to your friends list
MorgansRmine, I agree. I wouldn't buy it. That mint mark looks glued on.

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 Posted 08/22/2008  11:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list
"That mint mark looks glued on."

If that mm was glued on, it was done so at the molecular level. FYI, the "man-made chip" in the upper loop of the S is a marker for a genuine 1909-S VDB.
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 Posted 08/23/2008  12:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add xshift to your friends list
Original die 4 from Kurt's picture above:
1909-S--VDB--Purchased-Grade-Edit

With overlay of InfiniteInterest's cent above at 33% opacity:
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 Posted 08/23/2008  12:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list
very nice job xshift!
That confirms my hunch, I think.
I did a lot of study before buying one, and this one strikes me as authentic.
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 Posted 08/23/2008  5:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add atlashealth to your friends list
Wow, you guys are GOOD!
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 Posted 08/24/2008  12:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list
Wow, nice job xshift!
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 Posted 08/24/2008  12:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list

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Nice job on the overlay xshift, I gotta figure that one out ! Let me start out by saying this coin is RED, no matter what the pics show- I promise you when this gets back from PCGS, it will have a RED grade- Not RB or BN....RED As far as authenticity, I would trust Clyde's judgment on any coin, and he will not buy a questionable coin. I also have confidence in his grading skills- He purchased this coin at an MS-64 price of $3000 (10% back of Greysheet ask of $3300). He is confident it is a 64,and possibly a 65. I will surely let you know what it gets when it gets back.


I don't doubt that, I think the pictures are just not good enough. I can definately tell the reverse is MS, high quality and red. Forgot to comment on that when I made last post. I'm sure Clyde is a knowledgable dealer. It's guys like that who taught me a LOT. The internet is great, but there's no substitute for a coin guru!
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 Posted 08/24/2008  3:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add groganking to your friends list
I know a lot less about Lincolns than many others on this thread but I thought when I first looked at it that this coin was MS and that what was mistaken for wear was possibly a sheen caused by lighting. Beautiful coin -- it has a great look no matter the grade.
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It pays to know diagnostics of genuine keys. The PCGS guide to grading and Counterfeit Detection is a great resource.
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