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fortCollins very interesting and informative in-depth breakdown, thank you. CoinFrog your coin hatein on me coins again  G-4? great Scott man! westernsky very relative question to this coin. I chose this coin for comments as everything covered is relative thus far from the 3 opions. However holding out TPG's opinion till tommorrow. Eager for more analysis as I have 20 odd dates slabbed that run the gamit and each one has its own piculiaralities. Please...no AG3'3 |
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My net grade F15, and Fortcollins is schooling us on Buffaloes, well worth the read!
Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis |
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Ha! I'm not schooling anybody but myself here.
Remember, a VG/F/VF Buff can be anywhere on that spectrum and be defended easily. This series, more than almost any other, is so easily swayed by die wear and strike that it's pin-the-tail-on-the-donkey grading for many of the coins. Coinfrog is spot on with grading, and has helped me see the grading nuances on many coins. For sure, this is one coin where he could very well nail it. I'm grading purely from the reverse and adjusting for the obverse. Others are using blended grades. Still others will put more emphasis on the obverse. And then there's the wild guess how PCGS or NGC might see it. The only thing that would shock me would be a grade of EF or higher.
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This will be interesting, and the discussion has been an education. I know the '25-S is tough, but not as tough as the '25-D in my experience, which is limited to be sure. Bottom line for someone putting together a collection: would you pay Fine money for this? VG-10 money? With half a date?  Edited by Coinfrog
06/21/2019 7:25 pm
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 With coinfrog . I would not pay VG or F money for a buff with that obverse.  |
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There's no defending half a date as VG or Fine. Tough date, weak strike, blah. C'mon. Edited by Coinfrog
06/21/2019 9:53 pm
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There are a lot of weakly struck Denver and San Francisco Buffs. There are also a lot of late die state Buffs from all three mints. Neither should alter the technical grade more than a grading point. The question is whether both occurring at the same time should drop grade a coin more than two points. I just don't see that happening.
I still see this coin snagging a F-15 technical grade. There is no way it would go for VG or F money, though. Eye appeal matters, and this critter would have strong market rejection.
I'm a sucker for well-struck Buffs, regardless of the technical grade. The hardest full strike for me to find was a 1924-D, and that took 31 years to locate. The one fully struck Buff that made my wallet bleed even way back in the day was the 1926-S, though.
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06/22/2019 12:06 am
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PCGS VG-10. Eye Appeal 3/10.
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You guys have a crystalball. Great insight and experience shared thank you. Have chosen to avoid ICG coins for my Lincoln and Walker series as didn't feel confidant enough in my grading skills. Lots of searching and purchasing recently, 3 ICG semi-key Buffaloes became avalible that I was pleasantly surprised by a 27 S and a 13 D typ2. Rethinking me impression of ICG nickels,will share with forum in future.  |
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nice!  were you able to get the eye appeal discount? |
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Grats. I'm glad I got one right!
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I wasn't thinking ICG in the discussion. They are definitely a TPG that proves the adage "buy the coin and not the grade." This coin shows why sight-unseen certified coin buying is too risky for the hard-to-grade series. We all can picture an F-15 Morgan or Barber series or Indian or Lincoln, and be fairly close on a sight unseen coin. The same is not true for pre-WWII nickel coinage, because the hard metal makes die state and strike quality vital to determine eye appeal and because the mints used dies far too long. |
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