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Cost Of Grading Coins

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 Posted 07/05/2019  09:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NewbieCoiner808 to your friends list
$2.85 paid for the quarter...bought for silver and paid just over melt price. I buy a lot of good quality silver dimes and quarters from several dealers to stack silver and check good condition coins for errors. I just got lucky and found the type B FS-901 error on a 1959-P in MS63ish condition (maybe better after it gets an acetone bath). But nobody online will pay its value without an expensive slab.
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 Posted 07/05/2019  1:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add joecoin to your friends list

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I just got lucky and found the type B FS-901 error on a 1959-P in MS63ish condition ... But nobody online will pay its value without an expensive slab.


So you paid $0 as far as the error is concerned. Anything you get over $2.85 is gravy to you.

I don't see where your problem with TPG is.

How much do you think the coin is worth?
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 Posted 07/05/2019  2:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NewbieCoiner808 to your friends list
Value is apparently determined by being in a TPG case. Look on ebay. They are $30-50 & higher if graded. You can find ungraded ones for around $5. So for my time, ebay fees, packaging & postage, I'll pretty much break even or lose if I could sell it for $5. It's not worth the trouble. But to pay a TPG to grade it and then sell it, the value will be higher but so will the costs and I still probably would lose money or break even at best. That's why I'm saying it's pointless to grade coins under $100 value if you are selling them online.
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 Posted 07/05/2019  8:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list

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Basically anything that will bring less than $100 isn't worth grading in my opinion.


Not really. It's all just a math problem. It will depend on what you paid for the coin and what it is. You can make money on coins worth as low as $30 moderns that you had graded if you got the coin for face value or a dollar or two. Under $30 it gets hard to make any kind of profit.

There's a lot of variables that go into it and setting hard line values for yes or no isn't a very accurate way to look at it

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 Posted 07/05/2019  8:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
Nevertheless lots of collectors will have some 'rule of thumb' value level on which to base a decision to submit for grading or not.
From What I have seen so far, $100 seems to be a common value level.
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 Posted 07/05/2019  8:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kopper Ken to your friends list
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But nobody online will pay full value without it being graded in a case from a 3rd party.


If you believe every single coin in a TPG coffin is correctly graded then you're going to have issues going forward. NEVER buy the slab...grade and buy the coin yourself. If I cannot convince someone that my coin is true to the grade I gave it, then I'll get out of this hobby. If you can't run through the areas of a coin and point out where there is and isn't wear, read a book and the re-read it. You will of course run up against ignorant people who swear by the TPG grade...nothing you can do about it. As there is now with TPG, years ago there were differences of opinion as what a coin graded. Either you take the deal or you walk away from it. If you are confident that the coin grades what you say it does, do you take a lesser price from a buyer because he disagrees and says it's one grade lower?

KK
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 Posted 07/05/2019  9:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list

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Nevertheless lots of collectors will have some 'rule of thumb' value level on which to base a decision to submit for grading or not.
From What I have seen so far, $100 seems to be a common value level.


Absolutely most people do do that, my point was that it's a mistake to approach it that way. It's much better and more accurate to approach it with the math if you have strong grading skills in that area.


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You will of course run up against ignorant people who swear by the TPG grade...nothing you can do about it.


And there will always be ignorant people who think their skill is equal to the TPGs.
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 Posted 07/05/2019  10:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NewbieCoiner808 to your friends list
I totally agree with you kk. Those slabs mean nothing to me personally bc I know what I have but it seems like a necessity these days for people who want to buy coins online since they can't examine them personally. Kinda like they think TPG's are God's or they are going by their guesstimate to make a sight unseen purchase. I was talking to another member on here who knows a guy that had a coin that would've been worth $10,000 more dollars if it graded 1 point higher so he broke the slab and sent it in multiple times until it met the grade lol
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 Posted 07/05/2019  10:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NewbieCoiner808 to your friends list
Bottomline...TPG's are still human. Humans make mistakes and there is no consistency with coin grading
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 Posted 07/06/2019  05:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list

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. Bottomline...TPG's are still human. Humans make mistakes and there is no consistency with coin grading


Aside from the fact that nothing involving humans is perfect this is completely false about grading.
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 Posted 07/06/2019  07:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NewbieCoiner808 to your friends list
Lol, so I could give the same coin to every TPG and get the same grade from all of them every time?!?!?! Impossible! This is just fact.
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 Posted 07/06/2019  07:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
It does not surprise me at all, to see that truthful comment.

TPGraders' opinions are just that. Opinions, abeit the result of the efforts of a trained and experienced eye.

Why not learn from those opinions, and use their experience form your own? (otherwise known as training yourself)

IMO, the best use of an independent third party opinion is when selling. It gives the buyer a warm fuzzy feeling.
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 Posted 07/06/2019  09:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list

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.Lol, so I could give the same coin to every TPG and get the same grade from all of them every time?!?!?!


They aren't all equal just as all opinions are not equal.
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 Posted 07/06/2019  10:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NewbieCoiner808 to your friends list
So now you are admitting human error and inconsistentcy are true when it comes to TPG's?
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 Posted 07/06/2019  2:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fortcollins to your friends list
Grading is far more objective than subjective. For example, any moderately experienced collector can grade a generic VF or generic EF Lincoln. There are three key areas where subjectivity come into play: close numerical grades, die state and strike adjustments, and difficult series to grade.

When I started collecting - back when dinosaurs roamed - the standard grade splits were AG/G/VG/F/VF/EF/AU/UNC/BU/Gem BU. Grading was done by Brown & Dunn, and later Photograde. Increasing numbers of deceptive counterfeits, greater demand for numerical grades, and the rise of sight-unseen sales led to TPGs, but also are now leading to much greater consistency in grading.

Some of the most difficult grading calls are the extremely close numerical grades. G-4/G-6, F-12/F-15, AU-53/AU-55, and MS-64/65 can be tough. Expect some variance with these close calls.

Grade adjustments for die wear and strike quality are vital in some series. These adjustments happen regularly for the series with wide variations in strike, such as Buffalos and Morgans. Eye appeal adjustments also exist, mainly for MS-60 and up coins, and in lower grade coins exhibiting significant (but market-acceptable) surface disruption.

The difficult to grade series will have greater grading variation. That's natural. Lincolns, Barber coinaqe, etc. are comparatively easier to grade than Buffalos and coins that rarely circulated, such as classic commemoratives.

Each TPG has strengths and weaknesses. PCGS Morgans trade higher than NGC Morgans, reflecting a market adjustment for grading differential. Canadian grading standards are sharply different than U.S. grading standards, and ICCS is much more consistent for Canadian coins than PCGS. ANACS does better with die variety attribution. All of the major TPGs do well with authentication.

The key, however, is being able to grade your own coins. Several people have already said this upthread, but always buy the coin and not the slab. A coin in an authentic major TPG slab says two things: (1) the coin is genuine and backed by a guarantee and (2) an expert has been paid for an informed opinion as to grade. Those are valuable commodities, and well worth the price. Just one example should illustrate my point. Given the abundance of good counterfeits floating around, which would you rather buy for $1350 or so as bullion: a raw 1907 $20 Liberty or a slabbed genuine details 1907 $20 Liberty for $15-20 more?

CCF is a priceless resource for grading. When you hit a coin that leaves you in doubt, post it. If you have a coin that is on the bubble of being worth submitting to a TPG, submit the photos online here first. People will weigh in on authenticity and grade and variety. The CCF submission fee can't be beat, but be prepared for honest opinions. On the other hand, those opinions come from a herd people with collective centuries of experience.

Just my Two Cents from the curmudgeon's corner.
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