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Valued Member
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No ball was dropped sir, this is the PCGS coin facts feature coin for a non FB business strike 1950 s Roosevelt dime, would be a heck of a ball to drop for PCGS to make this example the very first one that pops up on the coin facts page, as stated earlier you can view the coin on the true view by its certification and compare it to other coins in the grade, its top notch doesn't get any better for a 1950s non FB, which is why the experts at PCGS chose to make it the feature coin on their coin facts app, now with all that being said I can understand why someone would way undergrads on here as I stated before, because you are trying to do it off photos, all be it at times poor photos, and I have yet to find a camera or method that makes these coins look as superb as they do in hand. If I could figure out how PCGS does it for true view photos I would be thrilled. |
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United States
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Even MS 68 coins have a flaw, which why they aren't graded 69 or 70
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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Again - give it 48 hours to show the grade. Quote:
I believe PCGS dropped the ball on this one , getting to be a habit . Odd that hit gave it a 68. Congrats though. Edited by scopru
11/05/2019 4:43 pm
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Valued Member
United States
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I'm being trolled here, this is becoming a troll site.
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Bedrock of the Community
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There is some kind of mark under the TR in trust along with a nice hit on bottom of torch . I believe PCGS dropped the ball on this one , getting to be a habit . There's nothing under trust and a minor hit on the reverse is why it wasn't higher. The luster on that coin is incredible |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I'm being trolled here, this is becoming a troll site. That is funny. Some (me) of us ask you to wait longer to post the slab so we have time to guess. Some (me) do not agree or are surprised with the grade on both coins you posted. And we become trolls?  You do understand when you post pictures and ask for grade guesses and comments you may not always like what you hear. Doesn't mean you are being trolled. It simply means you posted seeking comments and you got them. In this case you didn't like what was said as it didn't agree with what you thought you would hear I guess. So you call us trolls. A trend in today's society when people do not agree with different opinions. Bottom line- if you like the coins you posted it doesn't really matter what anyone else thinks. Doesn't mean we are trolling you. For me, you just happened to post 2 Roosevelt dimes, a series I collect. I was glad to see your coins. Edited by scopru
11/06/2019 08:57 am
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Rest in Peace
United States
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There's nothing under trust and a minor hit on the reverse I know my eyes are getting old but there is something under TRUST that is not supposed to be there and that hit at bottom of torch in my opinion is not a minor hit .  |
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Bedrock of the Community
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I know my eyes are getting old but there is something under TRUST that is not supposed to be there and that hit at bottom of torch in my opinion is not a minor hit . It's debris on the slab, you can check the trueview on the PCGS cert page there's nothing going on in that area. As for the hit, in hand it would be a small ding that's on the reverse hidden somewhat in the design away from the focal areas |
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Bedrock of the Community
 United States
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first the lighting is not good. second the photos are out of focus. third you are taking a photo through a holder which is a little more difficult. the coin as it appears in the photo does not show as an MS68 coin, however, I cannot discount the actual grade due to above. like previously stated we can only grade based on what we see here. I would have put it in the MS66 area based on the photos
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Rest in Peace
United States
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You should have posted the tru-views. It is a gorgeous example.  |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Our guesses as to the grade is only as good as the photos. And too, yes, it is a fact that PGCS drops the ball, over or under grading. I too would have guessed a lower grade on this dime, based on these photos
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Link to tru-view: https://www.PCGS.com/cert/37303135 Even as someone who dislikes toned coins I have to say that this coin is rather nice. However I do agree that this coin does feel somewhat over graded, though not extremely. Imo this coin is about a technical MS-66/Ms-66+ and then I would guess that this one was given the full extra point from the eye appeal bumping it to a MS-67/MS-67+, at least thats how I hypothetically would have done it. Really depents how one would view the marks near the bottom of the torch. Aside from that however The coin looks near flawless, and I hope whomever owns it enjoys it. (At the risk of sounding some what contrarian I actually prefer the OPS pictures to the true-views, maybe it's the plastic holder acting as a filter but I find it really nice. Obviously though if I were buying this coin the tru-views would be more telling.) |
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The idea that someone seeing a single picture is more of an expert than PCGS on high grade moderns is just flat out wrong. Trying to grade high MS coins from pictures is a fools errand at best especially in series and moderns where most people dabble at best.
Grading is much more complex than counting marks.
That coin is gorgeous and got the grade for a reason. FB or not there are very few 68's and it isn't a grade handed out lightly.
The best thing someone could do to help their own skills is try and learn from what they missed or the limitation of pictures, not just try and act like they know better than PCGS.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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The idea that someone seeing a single picture is more of an expert than PCGS on high grade moderns is just flat out wrong. Trying to grade high MS coins from pictures is a fools errand at best especially in series and moderns where most people dabble at best.
Grading is much more complex than counting marks.
That coin is gorgeous and got the grade for a reason. FB or not there are very few 68's and it isn't a grade handed out lightly.
The best thing someone could do to help their own skills is try and learn from what they missed or the limitation of pictures, not just try and act like they know better than PCGS. No need to try and point others as fools, the point of the thread is to give opinions on the grade, which is what has been done. I do agree that pictures are nowhere near as telling as having the in your hands (by the rims of course  ) Remember though, even the graders at PCGS had to come to an agreement on the grade, it's unlikely that each grader had thought MS-68 right off the bat. There was likely a bit of discussion between them before they came to a unanimous grade. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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The idea that someone seeing a single picture is more of an expert than PCGS on high grade moderns is just flat out wrong. Trying to grade high MS coins from pictures is a fools errand at best... And yet a picture is what was given when the poster asked our opinion in the GRADING thread of this forum. Perhaps poster should have posted in another thread that wasn't asking for grade opinions if they are not open to receiving feedback. Then you would not have felt the need to make a snarky comment implying we are fools for grading based on a picture. Words to ponder: "It is the peculiar quality of a fool to perceive the faults of others and to forget his own." Marcus Tullius Cicero Is still a beautiful coin regardless of the thoughts on what the label says.  |
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