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Bedrock of the Community
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Damage doesn't make something rare. If so my car would be worth a fortune. (Save the best, spend the rest) Move on to the next coin.
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Thank you everyone for you input. I know a picture is worth a thousand words, and the better the picture the better the representation. I will admit I am a novice, but some things don't add up with the consistency of a vice. It's very difficult to evaluate and If I had better pictures mildly confident the pictures would add up to the reverse strike was done while in the obverse die. I don't have the knowledge that 99 percent of the people on this forum have, and I really do appreciate anyone's input. I believe the tell tail sign is the letters "GOD" on the bend being raised approximately 50 percent or more than all of the others "IN WE TRUST" maybe the evidence it was struck this way. I will try to upload that representation ASAP. Would anyone agree or disagree? Thank you.  Edited by 1943Copper
07/25/2020 6:48 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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I think it would be unfruitful to post any more pics. It is a damaged coin that did not leave the mint in the shape that it is in now.
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New Member
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Thank you to everyone for your responses. They are appreciated. I won't attach anymore pictures as my abilities are limited. I have one last question related to this coin. If this was done at the mint, wouldn't it be consistent that on the curve the letters "GOD" would have a deeper stamp on the curve compared to the rest of the coin?
Thank you everyone for your responses.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Note any devices you see on the coin are mirrored. They were transferred from other coins when three coins are squeezed in a vise:  We see this all the time. Not the first example posted he and won't be the last. Just now a damaged coin. More on to another coin. |
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coop, Thanks for your response and examples. I do see what you mean about clamping or using a vice to transfer images, and I have no idea what the possibilities could be with respect to outcomes for these techniques. I'm not about to try, but maybe if I did I could gain a better understand of them. That being said, I know the 2D images don't represent the true coin. Hypothetically, if you yourself had the coin in hand and were able to determine in 3D the hatching marks above the word LIBERTY were indeed stress marks, and the word LIBERTY was lightly struck on the LIB and heavily struck on half of the E, and mildly to heavily struck on the RTY. Would that not conflict with the vise theory? Any response is appreciated. Respectfully,
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Pillar of the Community
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I'm having trouble understanding what you mean by the light/heavy struck LiB-E-RTY question. We can't recreate the exact scenario under which someone made this in a vice or via other means. I was curious, and just took two pennies and smacked them together with a sledgehammer. One of them looks surprisingly unaffected aside from small scratches, and the other looks similar to the obverse of your coin. There would be a lot of variation if someone was messing with around with coins for fun like this. We can be confident, however, that it didn't come from the mint this way.
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Bedrock of the Community
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NOT a mint error. It was done for kick's by some bored teenager in this parents basement. Deliberate post mint vise job. I don't think you like our answers, but we have seen LOTS of these. This coin did NOT leave the mint looking like this, please believe us.
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New Member
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captaincoffee, thanks for your response. What I meant by light and heavy struck is that the letters are raised higher as if they were smashed deeper into the die. While the rim is flatter and lower above "GOD". All of the letters along the press line from the front of the coin have a deeper strike If you look across the coin on a flat plane across the front, you can see the raised lettering as if the coin was struck from the rear and pressed deeper into the die only in those areas.
That's really the best I can explain it. I believe if it were in a vise, those letters on the obverse would be crushed or less tall, not the tallest deepest strike.
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New Member
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merclover, thanks for your reply. I don't doubt that it's a possibility someone was messing around. And I do really appreciate the suggestions as to how this coin was deformed.
I'm simply trying to argue my case as to why and how I believe this may have happened at the mint. Just looking for explanations. And still trying to understand what a MAD clash is and exactly how it's formed. Thanks
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Pillar of the Community
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No offense but I think just about every explanation has been given. It is PMD. There is no other way to get an incuse, reversed image onto that coin other than another cent being hammered, smashed, clamped etc. against that one. As for your MAD clash inquiry. https://www.maddieclashes.com/19-2/Edited by Ty2020b
07/26/2020 02:21 am
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New Member
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Ty2020b, Thanks for your reply and link. I'll put this issue to rest. Thank you everyone for your participation to this inquiry.
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Pillar of the Community
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Watch your tongue 1943Copper, or you'll get it snagged on something unsavory. No one appreciates mockery, me more than most.
So please refrain from attempting to push my buttons, or anyone else's for that matter.
If you continue, staff will make sure you don't.
Edited by SilverCents
07/28/2020 8:26 pm
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New Member
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SilverCents, My apologies. Would you consede that there was no need for either one of those comments? Respectfully
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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It's alright. I just tend to be more resistant against disrespect, even if not intentional. Yes I will consede that. I overreacted a tad bit.
Have a good day.
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