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1924-S Standing Liberty Quarter. You Vs PCGS

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 Posted 01/03/2021  07:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add denkan to your friends list
PCGS graded this one UNC Details Scratched
I be honest and say I was hopeing for MS62FH when sending this one in. I like some of you belive it could grade as high as MS64 when I compared it go my 1920-s NGC MS63.
However as PCGS noted, there is a scratch on each side that in some angles stands och as a thin frosty white line. IMO it absolutly affects the overall grade but are not that disturbing since there are plenty of diepolishing lines that it blends in to except in some angles. So I thought knocking it back to 62 would be a fair adjustment of the grade.

The Trueviews really do shows how the coin look för the Most part but I'll guess I'll have to accept the grade PCGS have her.

It also seems like I have to do some studying in FH designition as many of you don't think it qualifies and I thought it wasn't even a question

Really appriciate all the feedback and extra info on FH grading.

I still wonder if the coin has been double struck? Since I think I see doubling in both the obverse and reverse it shouldn't be diedoubling, right?

/denkan
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 Posted 01/03/2021  12:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list

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It also seems like I have to do some studying in FH designition


got to have that ear slit to pull the FH designation. I think everything else is there for it
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 Posted 01/03/2021  1:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add denkan to your friends list

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got to have that ear slit to pull the FH designation. I think everything else is there for it


I dont know if I get the translation correct. What is slit?
I looked at PCGS site and they say the hole of the ear should be visible and I think their picture of minimum requierments for FH looks like my coin.

Is the ear slit the line under the earhole?
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 Posted 01/03/2021  3:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fortcollins to your friends list
There are many different opinions on what constitutes a full head. I think "full head" is a poor description. The issue is whether the coin has a solid strike or a soft strike. There are several complicating factors:
Type
Die polishing. Al three mints tortured their dies. like this coin, die polishing lines abound in the series, and are visually unappealing.
Die state. Badly worn or mismatched dies abound in the series.
Whizzed coins, attempting to make sliders pass as UNCs

Here is what I look for. This list isn't original. I stole it years ago, modified it, and have no idea where it originally came from.

Head:
All three leaves are distinct and complete
Hairline is complete, and distinct from forehead and face, all the way to the jaw
Ear hole or ear slit is visible

Shield:
Inner shield has vertical and horizontal lines
Outer shield has all rivets
Exception: Abraded shield polished die varieties generally lack both attributes

Hand:
Liberty's right hand is complete

Gown:
Fold over Liberty's left leg (our visual right) is complete
Bottom of gown below Liberty's left leg has all four buttons visible

Feet:
All toes visible on the right foot

Gates:
Substantial detail exists in the wooden gates

Reverse:
Eagle's wings have several distinct feathers on the edge of the wing. The eagle's right wing (our visual left) is the key problem area.
Eagle has visible breast feathers. Very few have more than a few breast feathers.

Very few coins have truly full strikes. The goal is to find strong strikes. They exist for several dates, but are almost nonexistent for other dates.
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 Posted 01/03/2021  3:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fortcollins to your friends list
Some years had ear slits. Others had much shorter ear openings, and look more like holes. Here are a couple examples:
Ear slit (1917)
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Ear hole (1923)
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 Posted 01/03/2021  3:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add T-BOP to your friends list

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Feet:
All toes visible on the right foot

I told you guys about them toes .
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 Posted 01/03/2021  4:12 pm  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list

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UNC Details Scratched


I see a lot of die polish lines but don't see scratches significant enough to detail the piece. Can someone please point out the "major scratches".
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 Posted 01/03/2021  4:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fortcollins to your friends list
There is a heavy scratch on the obverse, NE to SW across the shield, gown, and stomach. On the reverse, there are two NW to SE scratches from the eagle's left wing (our visual right).

IMHO, the reverse scratches alone wouldn't detail the coin. The obverse scratch is more problematic, but I don't think it is enough to detail the coin. PCGS must have felt that the combination of scratches was enough to detail it.
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 Posted 01/03/2021  4:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add denkan to your friends list
Thank you fortcollins for your informative input!



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Can someone please point out the "major scratches".


On the obverse there is a scratch that goes vertical under O and D in GOD. On the reverse it's one of the two scratches that starts from eagles left wing and go to the stars. I don't have it in hand yet and can't remember wich one it was.

Under light in some angles they stand out as frosty white. I don't know if PCGS spotted something else but I asume it's those two that made it Details.
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 Posted 01/03/2021  11:37 pm  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list

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The obverse scratch is more problematic, but I don't think it is enough to detail the coin. PCGS must have felt that the combination of scratches was enough to detail it.


Thanks. I have to believe those look far worse in-hand. On my screen this piece is magnified at least 10X and I still don't see anything that should bodybag this coin.
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 Posted 01/05/2021  4:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add denkan to your friends list
So I got the coin back today and thought I would share some photos in different angles to show the scratches. You think I should keep it in the bodybag or crack it out and resubmitt?

I guess it is the vertikal scratch left of the stars on the obverse and the two scratches close to eagles left wing on the reverse.


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 Posted 01/10/2021  5:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BGLI to your friends list
Beautiful coin. So how do you distinguish die polishing lines from scratches caused by cleaning? Thanks
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 Posted 01/10/2021  6:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Die polishing lines will be slightly raised, cleaning lines will not.
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 Posted 01/10/2021  6:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ty2020b to your friends list
@BGLI, it's sometimes difficult to discern die polishing scratches from post mint/cleaning scratches from pics, but in hand it's obvious.

Die polishing scratches will be raised on the coin. Because the scratches are incuse on the die itself, they become raised once the coin in struck. Cleaning scratches are obviously incuse on the coin.

Die polishing also will not typically pass over devices. Because the fields of the die are polished, the lower portion of the devices are unaffected. You'll notice on the OP's coin that the scratches come right up to the devices, are not visible on the devices, and are then visible on the other side of said devices. Occasionally you will see minimal die polished on low relief, large surface area devices, but are primarily isolated to the fields. Cleaning scratches will pass over fields and devices.

Edit: Coinfrog beat me too it! Too busy typing.


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 Posted 01/10/2021  8:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BGLI to your friends list
Thanks Ty2020b and Coinfrog- your explanations are really helpful. And I can now see the difference.thanks!
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