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The newest ticket posted on this thread - but there's an interesting history behind it! I bought this ticket yesterday to travel to Margate...
Fascinating story behind the ticket!
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 Posted 10/28/2021  3:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nells250 to your friends list
Hit an ephemera show last weekend... saw some RR tickets/passes among the various dealer boxes... alas, most were "accurately priced"...
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 Posted 11/07/2021  2:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GregAlex to your friends list
Just curious -- what's the general price range for RR tickets these days?
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 Posted 11/11/2021  05:43 am  Show Profile   Check NumisRob's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add NumisRob to your friends list

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Just curious -- what's the general price range for RR tickets these days?

I don't know about US tickets, but in the UK it depends largely on the age and the issuing company. Some pre-grouping (i.e. pre-1923) tickets from obscure halts can be very valuable. On the other hand, during the mass line closures of the 1960s, unused stocks of old tickets were sometimes discovered when station buildings were cleared or demolished, and these were given away as souvenirs and are still common.
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 Posted 11/11/2021  06:58 am  Show Profile   Check NumisRob's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add NumisRob to your friends list
Another new ticket from me but a slice of history!
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On Sunday I parked my car at Appledore Station in Kent, walked 6 miles (one of my favorite country walks) to Rye in Sussex, and got the train back - one of my favorite journeys. But really there shouldn't be a railroad line here at all, and the fact that there still is today is something of a miracle. Even today, Appledore is just a small village, and its train station is not especially useful as it's located in the middle of nowhere a mile and a half from the main street. Appledore probably had its moment of glory in the 18th century when a group of local cereal farmers formed a Union and erected their own windmill, which appears on a halfpenny token:
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In the early 1840s the two main railroad companies in South-East England opened their main trunk lines. The London, Brighton & South Coast Railway opened a line from London to Brighton and the South-Eastern Railway opened a line via the Kent market town of Ashford to the port of Dover.

Both companies then started building branch lines to serve other towns and cities. But they were deadly rivals!

The fishing port and seaside resort of Hastings (famous for the Battle of 1066) was halfway between Ashford and Brighton. The LB&SCR opened a line from Brighton to Hastings in 1846. The SER wanted a piece of the action and announced plans two years later to build a line to Hastings from Ashford. They planned to take a direct route between the two towns, serving en-route the sizeable market town of Tenterden and several prosperous villages, which would all bring custom to the railway...

Except - this guy had just seized power in France...
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Louis-Napoleon Bonaparte, nephew of Napoleon, was deeply distrusted at first by the British. There was a general feeling that he might try to do what his uncle had failed to achieve - invade England! And the South-East coast was poorly defended. Hurriedly the Government started building new forts along the coast and repairing old ones.

The plans for a railroad line linking Ashford and Hastings came to the attention of this gentleman:
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The 79-year-old Duke of Wellington knew more about fighting Napoleon than anyone, but very little about railroads. He did however persuade the SER to alter the route of their line, making it run closer to the coast so that large numbers of troops could defend the low-lying Romney Marsh in the event of the expected French invasion. Unfortunately the new route ran through desolate, unpopulated countryside, only serving one small town, the old port of Rye, which had become a haven for smugglers after its harbour had silted up.

Of course, Napoleon III (as he became) actually proved to be something of an Anglophile, and more interested in picking a fight with Prussia. England was left with a chain of unused forts along the coast (nicknamed 'Palmerston's Follies' after the then Foreign Minister) and the SER was left with a line that could not possibly make a profit.
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They tried to make the best of the situation by running special trains to watch bare-fisted prize fighters batter each other to a pulp in a field outside Appledore station. They also laid a branch to Dungeness, a huge expanse of shingle that is now a Site of Special Scientific Interest. Their idea was to use the shingle as ready-made ballast to put under the railroad ties. However, in practice the ties tended to move on the smooth pebbles when a heavy train passed over them, making the rails spread and causing a number of fatal crashes...

What saved the line was the growth of the tourist industry. The picturesque little town of Rye, where fortunately the station was conveniently located, became a magnet for artists and writers in the late 19th century. American writer Henry James lived there in the 1890s. The 20th century saw holiday camps springing up along the coast: holidaymakers normally took the train to Rye and then transferred to a charabanc for the rest of their journey.
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Rye (above) and its attractive 1851 train station
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In the 1960s a nuclear power station was built at Dungeness, and this probably saved the line, although there were attempts to close it to passengers in 1963 and 1971, just retaining a spur from Ashford to Dungeness for the nuclear waste trains.
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So if you wonder why a train station was built in the middle of nowhere, you have to thank Napoleon III and the Duke of Wellington!
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 Posted 11/11/2021  08:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add erafjel to your friends list
Very interesting, and well illustrated! Thanks for sharing!
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 Posted 06/04/2022  01:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GregAlex to your friends list
I found a couple tickets tucked away, both from 1951 on the same line, but different sections.
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 Posted 07/30/2023  08:36 am  Show Profile   Check NumisRob's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add NumisRob to your friends list
Giving this topic a bump to show you my latest train ticket!

Last week I visited a National Trust property at Standen in Sussex and needed to get to a camping site about ten miles to the south to join some friends. I walked about four miles to the nearest train station, Kingscote, and bought a single to Sheffield Park, a short walk from the camping ground.
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Nothing unusual in that - except that the railroad I used was closed in 1955!

The East Grinstead and Lewes Railway was typical of the smaller railroad companies formed in the late 19th century to fill in gaps in the network. East Grinstead and Lewes are both fair-sized towns, but none of the places between them is more than a small village. The line was only a few miles to the east of the main London-Brighton railway, and after this line was electrified in the 1930s many local residents drove or took a cab to stations on this line to benefit from a faster journey.

In 1955 the now nationalized British Railways closed the line, at very short notice, during the middle of a national railroad strike. But they then got a shock. A local resident, Miss Bessemer, dug out a copy of the original Act of Parliament authorising the line's construction, and pointed out to British Railways that it stated that certain stations on the line should receive four trains a day in perpetuity.

Miss Bessemer took BR to court and won, and the line was reopened in 1956. However, BR stuck to the letter of the law. Four trains were run at inconvenient times, stopping only at the stations listed in the Act. Two stations (one of which was Barcombe, the busiest on the line) were not listed so remained closed. Meanwhile BR had to get a second Act of Parliament enacted to close the line, and it was closed for a second time in 1958.

By now four local students had expressed an interest in saving at least part of the line. British Railways were rapidly withdrawing their steam locomotives and only a handful were being preserved. They raised money to buy the five-mile stretch of line from Sheffield Park to Horsted Keynes and reopened it as the Bluebell Railway, the country's first preserved standard-gauge railway, in 1960. They built up a very impressive collection of steam locomotives and old railroad cars.

British Railways dismantled the lines from Sheffield Park to Lewes (now largely built over) and from Horsted Keynes to East Grinstead in the 1960s. It was always the intention of the preservationists to rebuild the line to East Grinstead, but for many years this was considered impossible, as the station and trackbed at Kingscote had been sold and converted to a private house and gardens. Fortunately in the mid-1980s the property came on the market and the Bluebell Railway was able to purchase it. There then followed a long period of rebuilding, consolidation, repairing a viaduct and clearing tons of rubbish dumped in a cutting, before the line was finally reopened to East Grinstead in 2013. This has allowed many preserved mainline locomotives, including the iconic 'Flying Scotsman', to visit the railroad.
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As for the tickets, they are genuine 'Edmondson' tickets, of a style introduced in the 1840s and designed by a stationmaster in Northern England, Each station has a rack of pre-printed tickets for the most popular destinations, and by noting the serial numbers of the tickets each day, clerks would know how many tickets had been slod and how much money had been taken. Prior to the adoption of this system, each ticket was written out by hand!
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Thanks for another interesting story about British railway lines!
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 Posted 09/09/2023  3:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GregAlex to your friends list
@NumisRob, that locomotive bears a certain resemblance to Thomas the Tank Engine!
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@NumisRob, that locomotive bears a certain resemblance to Thomas the Tank Engine!

There is a certain family resemblance - it's a Class 4 Mixed Traffic loco manufactured by British Railways in the 1950s before they decided to do away with steam and get diesels and electrics. 'Belle' from the Thomas series is an example of this kind of loco adapted as a fire-fighting engine:
https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/Belle
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