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by the way the 59 came from a slab that said "MS-69" lol
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1gtsfan The matte proofs can be hard to spot, but generally they have a surface that is somewhat lack luster grainy or granular appreance(not shiny ) like a normal business strike BU coin and the rims down to the field will be much more square than a normal business strike which has a more coved appearance from rim top to field . and of course in original state they are sharper in the small details being struck twice and with greater pressure than business strike coins which are struck once at somewhat lower pressures . the best way to be able to spot them is to look at as many examples as you can . the reason the P caught my eye was because I was looking at a proof 09 VDB on thebowers and merena auction site earlier and noticed that the die that struck that coin also had a pointed P in pluribus . take a look http://www.bowersandmerena.com/auct...m=1&lotno=63 |
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What held the 09 back from 66 or 67 ?
I agree it has a shot at 66 but like BadThad said, it's tough to grade a coin that high from photos. I go from the gut on what PCGS/NGC would give it too. |
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Interesting, on the proof note the pointy P and the slant in the middle leg of the E:  Lincoln Cent Lover!VERDI-CARE™ INVENTOR https://verdi.care/
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Were the matte proof dies recycled for business strikes like the Type B rev Washington quarters from the 50s and 60s? Of course, based on the matte proof mintages, there could not have been more than a handful of the matte dies produced in the first place(unlike the Washington quarter series). |
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Bio its possible the dies were reused or even that all the dies produced for proof issues were not used for proof coins and were later used for business strike coins .
Thad those variations and a few others are the reason for my question ,, while the pictured coin has a slanted bar on the E in states and slightly slanted cross bars on the A's make the coin very interesting ,it was just a question and my way of putting info into the hands of the OP to further investigate his coin .
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Still learning my proof lincolns from my business strikes, but I just wanted to say "Wowsers!" on the doubling on that reverse BadThad. The doubled lettering looks really cool!
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Serious thats not thads coin its a picture from the link I provided to a coin that was in Bowers and Merena auction .
link in one of my previous posts .
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gts ,it is nearly impossible for anyone to detemine a matte proof from pictures especially someone like me who is far from an expert on them .
You will either need to take this coin to a major show and have it looked at in hand by someone who knows way more about the dies for the matte proofs . or send it in to PCGS or NGC and see what they think .
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thank you metalman. I really appreciate your input on this coin.
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I would say no on the proof, the edges are not square, plus the detail is lacking. Here is a pick of a proof VDB-  As for grade, MS64. |
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It's definately not a proof, the rims aren't correct. The dicussion drifted that direction for other reasons.
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1958 - MS65RD
1959 - MS64RD
1909 - MS63RB
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1909 - MS64RB
1958 - MS65RD
1959 - MS64RD
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