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If not an "error" per se, then definitely an interesting variety!  |
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However in this case, there are indeed two massive errors with this coin discussed which I am still quite shocked about. DL20K is coming quite close in his research  I have given away a very huge hint in the very first post My partial coin collection http://www.omnicoin.com/collection/gxseriesMy numismatics articles and collection: http://www.gxseries.com/numis/numis_index.htmRegularly updated at least once a month. |
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The coin is in a coin alignment by the way. So, this probably is where the hint lies! (can't really think of any other part of the 1st post that might be considered a hint  ) To the point, I haven't seen a lot of those, but read they come in both coin and medal alignment.. Edited by DL20K
01/04/2009 2:15 pm
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Yes, ALL the other Chinese coins in this lot that I have are in MEDAL alignment except for a few aren't well aligned. This is extremely unusual and if you can find any other Chinese coins struck in this era that are in coin alignment, please let me know.
I might as well give the answer out as DCH already solved the oddities in cointalk.
1. Overstruck over 1895 Korean 5 fun
2. Die orientation is in coin alignment, unlike most other Chinese coins usually struck in medal alignment.
3. Muled die of Chekiang / Hupei (!!)
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We (or at least I) have a lot to learn about Chinese coins then...  So, since that was (or rather wasn't) solved, I'd like to add that that's a nice batch of coins! But what are those dark brown coins (almost) directly up from the Straits/Malaya 20 cents piece? Edited by DL20K
01/04/2009 2:34 pm
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Any ideas how(or where) the Chekiang and Hupeh dies got together?
Chekiang merged with the Fukien mint in 1906-1907. My first thought was that some of the equipment/dies were sent to Hupeh, but Krause says Hupeh only struck these through 1905.
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DL20K, that pile of coins that is right above the Malaya 20 cents coins are actually a pile of Chinese 10 cash coin. And it just happens that the first coin on top of it is this overstruck coin that I posted. The other ten cash coins are not as interesting as this coin as I have shown. Under it is 50 cash coins and on the right of them is a 200 cash coin. That coin is REALLY big and heavy. Probably the heaviest Asian copper coin that I have in my collection now. This can be quite addictive. I'll have to slowly take photos but it's always time consuming as I have to do some research. Too bad that they don't have any dates so I have to look them up on various sites and sources. |
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DCH, that's my question too. This coin makes absolutely no sense unless it's a private mint or a counterfeit house somehow managed to get the original dies or make some fake dies and overstruck the Korean 5 fun. So far it looks good to me as the design doesn't look "fake" to me. Possibly very rare if this coin is struck by genuine dies.
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Under it is 50 cash coins and on the right of them is a 200 cash coin. That coin is REALLY big and heavy. Probably the heaviest Asian copper coin that I have in my collection now. This can be quite addictive. I know. I'd love to have one of those. Quote:
that pile of coins that is right above the Malaya 20 cents coins are actually a pile of Chinese 10 cash coin Yes, but I meant the ones.. left from that pile? The ones that don't look like 10 cash pieces. More like having a wreath and western characters? |
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I think you might be meaning this DL20K?  It's a coin from Sarawak which would be under Malaysia today. My partial coin collection http://www.omnicoin.com/collection/gxseriesMy numismatics articles and collection: http://www.gxseries.com/numis/numis_index.htmRegularly updated at least once a month. |
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1. Overstruck over 1895 Korean 5 fun
2. Die orientation is in coin alignment, unlike most other Chinese coins usually struck in medal alignment.
3. Muled die of Chekiang / Hupei (!) Wow, how fascinating! Keep us updated if you find out any more info. I'm going to add this coin to our gallery because it's so intriguing. |
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I think you might be meaning this DL20K? Thanks. That's precisely the one I meant. |
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Un. Be. Lievable!  One has to wonder how such a mixed-up coin could come to be. I would postulate that someone handed in a "foreign" Korean coin to the (Hupeh) mint, and rather than melt it down they simply tossed it into the blank hopper. The other postulate, given the off-centring and apparently weak strike of the overtype, is that some nefarious character got hold of two coin dies, and unofficially "monetized" this coin for China, perhaps even smashing the dies together with a hammer, rather than using a press. If the dies are indeed from mismatched mints, this would be the most likely explanation. Quote:
Muled die of Chekiang / Hupei What's the marking on the reverse that makes this distinctively a Chekiang mint die? I thought the mintmark was in the Manchu script at 3 o'clock, and the overtype is too weak for me to see anything at all of the mintmark there.  Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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01/05/2009 09:38 am
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Sap, on the very top of the obverse, I'm sure you can see the Chinese characters. When it is read from the right to left, it reads "Chekiang Province". You can see the Chinese characters on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chekia...lic_of_ChinaThis coin defies all the other four overstruck Chinese-Korean coins that I have. All the other coins are in medal alignment and there is no such mule present with my other coins. Here are two examples: Hupeh  Chekiang  This coin also passes the Chekiang mintmark in my opinion:  I am sure that it is extremely difficult to misidentify it as a Hupeh mintmark as a Hupeh mintmark has a fanciful "J" character whereas Chekiang just seems like a semi-j and l character. Illustrations of various mintmarks from the old days can be seen here: http://www.sportstune.com/chinese/c...ntmarks.htmlThere apparently is a story about how these coins were actually imported from Korea as they were demonetized back in 1902 as the chon was introduced (or was it 1905 that the fun was officially demonetized?) Hence it is likely that these coins were just imported as scrap metal. What's even more funny is that it's said that "private" mints used such coins as planchets. The real trouble is understanding if these were legal tender or it could have been a massive counterfeit scam back in those days. My partial coin collection http://www.omnicoin.com/collection/gxseriesMy numismatics articles and collection: http://www.gxseries.com/numis/numis_index.htmRegularly updated at least once a month. |
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Thanks for clearing that up. Fascinating indeed. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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