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Value Of Dateless Buffs

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 Posted 01/09/2009  12:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mrh757 to your friends list
I used the vinegar trick on a Liberty nickel --came out nice---it is a 1890

before I started all I could make out was the top of the 1 and 8

took 2 week's
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 Posted 01/09/2009  12:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DNA to your friends list
Something like Nic-A-Date will make the date show up quickly, but you'll have the ugly darkened "Nic-A-Date burn" area.

Vinegar can take hours or even days for the date to show up, and it will be faint (as compared to Nic-A-Date or one of weerdsteev's full restorations), but the coin will look like a 'natural' faint-date Buffalo nickel.

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 Posted 01/09/2009  3:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add eaglefoot to your friends list

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Something like Nic-A-Date will make the date show up quickly, but you'll have the ugly darkened "Nic-A-Date burn" area.
Vinegar can take hours or even days for the date to show up, and it will be faint (as compared to Nic-A-Date or one of weerdsteev's full restorations), but the coin will look like a 'natural' faint-date Buffalo nickel.


EXACTLY !!.....that "horrible ugly darkened burn area" from "Nic-A-Date" is what I was referring to.........I have a few of them that came with bulk purchases.....and it is such an ugly action to do to a coin....I'd rather have a "dateless" than do that to see the date honestly !
GO WITH VINEGAR ....SOAK EM' NO MATTER HOW LONG IT TAKES !
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 Posted 01/09/2009  4:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add idonotnow to your friends list
I just got 3 dateless rolls for $.15 each from my dealer with 10-15 mint mark per roll.
seems to take 6-7 days in vinegar to see the date.

1914,1918d,and some 20's sofar
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 Posted 01/09/2009  6:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add weerdsteev to your friends list
(Sigh) This whole vinegar versus Nic-a-date thing just cracks me up. If you had a dateless Buffalo nickel and you had the power to magically clone that nickel so that there were two identical nickels, and then if you had a gallon vat of virgin Nic-a-date and a gallon vat of virgin vinegar and you threw your two identical nickels into the two vats here is what would happen: Your vinegared nickel would reach some state of restoredness that you might deem to be acceptable or not acceptable in about 4 to 14 days. Your Nic-a-dated nickel would reach that SAME state in 20 to 120 seconds. At some point, the Nic-a-dated nickel will progress beyond where the vinegared nickel got to. As it progressed beyond that point, you would find it to be either better looking or worse looking than the vinegared nickel. It all depends on what appeals to YOUR eye and how long it's in the vat. Vinegar is fine if you have the patience. Nic-a-date is faster and will produce the same result if your timing is right. It is, however, cheaper to buy a gallon of vinegar than it is to buy a gallon of Nic-a-date. Also, if you put a drop of Nic-a-date on the date area, and nowhere else, you'll get an ugly coin, as eaglefoot points out. The trick, therefore, is to treat the whole coin with WHATEVER you use.
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01/09/2009 7:17 pm
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 Posted 01/09/2009  9:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DNA to your friends list
One of my dateless wonders now appears to be a 1913-S Type 2 (under a 16× loupe and a flashlight), but it'll be bathing in vinegar a while longer.... It was in the group of Nickels that I pulled from circulation during the late 1980's/early 1990's.

Just like what Steve shows with the photos on his website,
http://buffaloreincarnations.com/photos.php
my 1913-S T-2's obverse is weak and the reverse is a strong G
(with a very clear 'S' Mintmark)

I also have an AG 1904 Liberty (from the same group!) in there to keep it company.
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01/11/2009 8:40 pm
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 Posted 01/09/2009  11:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mklpatrick to your friends list

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I also have an AG 1904 Liberty (from the same group!) in there to keep it company.


What will the vinegar do to the Liberty? General cleaning?
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 Posted 01/10/2009  12:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DNA to your friends list

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mklpatrick "What will the vinegar do to the Liberty? General cleaning?"


That, and the reverse of this poor little 1904 is really 'flat'. It looks like it was a weak strike when new, and then it wore down.
The obverse is AG, but the reverse may be FR (even if technically AG, it sure looks FR) You need a loupe to read the "E Pluribus Unum". Two other AG Liberty's I have both look much better on their reverses.

I'm hoping some details of the 1904 come back a bit, especially the "E Pluribus Unum".
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 Posted 01/10/2009  3:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add weerdsteev to your friends list
DNA - Will you be posting photos when your vinegar bath is done?
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 Posted 01/10/2009  10:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DNA to your friends list
Hopefully, they will photograph well. I'm no expert at photographing coins, but at least I have an actual camera (ie:not in a cellphone)!
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 Posted 01/11/2009  7:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DNA to your friends list
Here ya go Steve, some pickled Nickels.
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/...garPair1.jpg
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/...garPair2.jpg

I took them out of the soup long enough to pose in my scanner.

The Buffalo has a nice reverse (considering), and that "S" mintmark is very clear! Too bad about the "holes" on the chief and Black Diamond, but hey I got it for ....

The top of the last two date digits on the Buffalo are now visible to the naked eye, and a bit of the "E Pluribus Unum" on the 1904's reverse is now visible to the naked eye.

I remember getting that 1904 in change sometime around 1989, and thinking "I can see why they spent it!"
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01/11/2009 7:45 pm
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 Posted 01/11/2009  7:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list
I have a roll of no dates here to experiment with and just wonder, do we use any kind of vinegar or do we use distilled vinegar? Thank you!
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 Posted 01/11/2009  8:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DNA to your friends list
Apple cider vinegar tastes much better than the other kinds!

In theory, pickling vinegar would be the most potent, but I think any kind of vinegar would suffice.

You could soak a few dozen dateless Phillies and see if you can come up with that magic 1916/16 Overdate!
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 Posted 02/13/2009  12:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sfwusc to your friends list
How long do I leave the vinegar on there? I have a D mint that I got from roll searching.

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 Posted 02/13/2009  6:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add weerdsteev to your friends list
No need to soak the Phillies to find the 1916 DDO - just look for wider than usual (or doubled) hair ribbons. If you find that, you'll probably also see doubling in the feathers. If the lower part of the letters in LIBERTY are clear, you'll see doubling there as well
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