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Focus Issue With EOS 60d

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 Posted 08/06/2021  2:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Avalanche to your friends list

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Do you have the software that comes with the Canon?


Hi! Yes I do, I have EOS Utility and for the attached examples I used the left and right arrows to focus my image.




as you can see I cant have the background and the foregound of the coin in focus at the same time.
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 Posted 08/07/2021  07:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Avalanche to your friends list
So these are the settings I am using in live view:


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 Posted 08/07/2021  10:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rmpsrpms to your friends list
Hi @Avalanche, and welcome to the forum!

The problem you are having is due to your aperture setting. F2.8 is way too wide and you should try stopping-down to at least f8, possibly f11 in order to get sufficient depth of field for you ancient coins.

Now, if you do want to focus stack, it will give you a slightly better result, but is a lot of work to do if you can get away with stopping-down the lens with acceptable results, so try that first.
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 Posted 08/07/2021  10:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rmpsrpms to your friends list
There are other settings that should be changed as well, but let's first deal with the focus problem.
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 Posted 08/08/2021  11:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Avalanche to your friends list
-The problem you are having is due to your aperture setting. F2.8 is way too wide and you should try stopping-down to at least f8, possibly f11 in order to get sufficient depth of field for you ancient coins.

Dear rmpsrpms,

Thank you for your reply, I'm pulling my hair out since I can't get this to work.

I have done as you said and I will include some examples.
I am not yet satisfied with the results, I have tried different apertures, since I am a newbie I am open to all suggestions. I am trying different settings.

The distance from my camera should be sufficient, I have tried putting it further away but unfortunately, same results.

These are the pictures I just made with adjusted apertures both with focussed back- and foreground:







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 Posted 08/08/2021  12:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list
I do not think the ISO is correct either. rmpsrpms is one member that knows his stuff about camera settings.
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 Posted 08/08/2021  1:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Avalanche to your friends list
Hi John!

I'm really happy people are trying to help, I was about to call in a professional hahaha.

i changed the ISO as you mentioned and I did seem to get a little better result.

Any ideas how I could improve on this?

It seems that if I change the ISO to a higher number the end result suffers in sharpness.

here is an example:

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http://goccf.com/t/121214
I found this by typing ISO settings in the search box upper left of page. Type in key words for a lot of info.
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 Posted 08/08/2021  8:55 pm  Show Profile   Check Zurie's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Zurie to your friends list
The ISO will not affect your depth of field. I would keep the ISO 400 or less to insure adequate resolution.

Since you're using a fixed focal length 100mm lens, there are only 2 things you can do (besides focus stacking) to improve your depth of field. One is narrowing the aperture as @rmpsrmps suggested, and the other is to increase the distance from the lens to the coin. I would try an aperture setting of f/16, and move your lens further from the coin, even if you have to crop the final image a bit. If you still can't get everything in focus with your high relief coins, you may have to try focus stacking, which will be a lot more effort.
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Also, try manually focusing on something in the middle of your desired depth of field range, like the nose, instead of either the high point of the portrait or the field.
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 Posted 08/09/2021  12:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinphotofan to your friends list
Is the camera hand held or placed on a stand? If hand held, it takes a lot of practice/patience to get the focus right.
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 Posted 08/09/2021  08:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rmpsrpms to your friends list
Good advice from all the folks here! Focusing on a middle feature is critical for getting good overall focus when stopping-down.

The ISO issue is strange, but may point to a vibration issue. It looks like you're using Live View for your shots so shutter shake and mirror slap should not be causing a problem. When you look at the coin in zoom view, is it stable with no vibration?
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 Posted 08/09/2021  10:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Avalanche to your friends list
Hey thanks for all the replies, I really do appreciate it.

I will give some additional information:

I'm using a tripod and I am using the computer to look at the coins before I make the picture, so in live view.

I use the buttons to get the best focus manually, when I use auto focus the result is blurry or cant find the coin.
With these arrows:



The camera WAS 37cm (14.5 inch) above the coin and NOW I changed it to 48.5cm (19 inch), I also changed the ISO back to 100 and f/16 like suggested.

The result is as follows:



Seems better, maybe the extra distance was needed?

rmpsrpms mentioned "Focusing on a middle feature" how do I do that?

Also I try and keep vibration to a minimum, I gently press the spacebar to take the shot and keep my arms off my desk during this whole time.

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 Posted 08/09/2021  11:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rmpsrpms to your friends list
Looking at the coin, I'd say the upper lip (maybe the nostril) is in the middle of the relief, neither highest nor lowest. Use the zoom function to zoom-in to the lip or nostril area at 100%, and then click the focus buttons manually until the lips are at best focus. This is called "critical focusing". Once you find the critical focus, immediately snap the shot.
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 Posted 08/09/2021  11:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinphotofan to your friends list
I would suggest replacing the current coin with a low relief one, like a common circulating coin, to rule out technical problems like vibration and inaccurate focusing. I have little faith in tripods.
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